Evidence for God from Science

So Hugh what is your timeline before that mantra folds ?? 100 years ,500 years ,1000 years ?? I see the shroud this way. What's your threshold ? Five years at the most. Sooner if the historical research comes up trumps quicker. You do realize that wessellow is now a believer in the authenticity of ...

if a forger wanted to fool a 14th century audience he could have done this without going through all of this . He simply would have painted an image and sold this off as one of the many fake Catholic relics that were circulating at that time. That's absolutely true. The fact that Hugh doesn't even ...

Not sure what point you're making. Paolo di Lazzaro has achieved a few square millimetres of discoloured linen. The characteristics appear to resemble the microscopic characteristics of the Shroud. Something very similar can be obtained by brushing a cloth lightly with a hot spatula, although di Laz...

Yes, I thought that would happen. Me: "The 3-D effect [...] can easily be found and recreated on any modern image software such as ImageJ." Response: "My understanding is that no one to date has been able to replicate the 3-D negative image that we see on the Shroud... much less 'easi...

In other words, this research is no more than guess work with insertion values such as mutation rates that scientists are still debating over. I don't think this is easy to respond to. No, the research is not guesswork, but yes, it is still being debated about. You seem happy to accept mitochondria...

The image on the Shroud is either a discolouration of the surface cells of the fibres - also resulting in their 'corroded' appearance - or it is a discolouration of a superficial additional layer, possibly resulting in a 'crackled' appearance. Rogers opted for the latter, and made numerous claims fo...

Intake it Hugh that you've given up refuting that the French reweave couldn't be detected by the naked eye from either side of the cloth ? Dirs that mean you concede that it can't be detected by the naked eye just as without a trace said ? Certainly not! Last week I sent a sample of cloth with a sm...

Some pagan psychopath made it by killing a man, wounding him in similar areas to Christ and overlaying the cloth and pressing down a little. Ergo medieval artistry. They were quite sadistic back then. That has been suggested, but I don't think it works. Whatever the physics and chemistry of the ima...

hughfarey, I like to post research to support the assertions I make. Me too, as you must be aware. Perhaps I should have waited till I had more time to respond. For the initial size of a human population based on gene diversity: "Estimation of Hominoid Ancestral Population Sizes under Bayesian...

My understanding is that the blood deposits on the Shroud are definitely a function of the transfer of physical material between the wrapped body and the cloth itself. They could be, yes. I do not believe the image is the result of the transfer of physical substances between the body and the cloth ...

Your experience is different from mine on this then. What I've consistently seen is the shroud wrapped around a body with external straps straps of cloth (or single strap of cloth wound around the body) holding the shroud to the body. Which explains the position of the the arms and shoulders which ...

The minimum number of an ancestral group of organisms is related to their genetic diversity. Although Mitochondrial Eve was the source of all modern mtDNA, she and a single partner could not have encompassed the entire gene pool of the human species, which is why it is generally thought that she was...

I'd say the strongest evidence that the cloth wrapped a human body is the image itself which shows the front and back of a crucified human body. The image is the problem. It looks like a body as seen from a distance, or like a photograph. It does not look like any kind of contact image, as you get ...

This thread has gone a bit quiet, so can I move on to the second video referenced in Kurieou's opening post? Video 2 asks whether it can be shown that the cloth wrapped a human body. It spends some time on the fact that there is blood on the Shroud. This is not usually disputed. It does not, of cour...

Please don't confuse 'evidence' with an hypothesized support. Certainly not. Indeed what has been found does support creation. For example if biblical creation were true creationists need data to support modern mankind being related to one male and female ancestor. Guess what? It does. That's too b...