Evidence for God from Science

Can we clarify what this post is about? I'll happily speak for "Science," but don't know what the OP wanted to engage, if anything, or what is meant by "belief in science." Who are these people who "uphold science" but don't know what it is? I don't know any. Most scien...

The Milky Way Galaxy is part of a Supercluster. The Supercluster may be further than average from other Superclusters, but that hardly makes us isolated in Space.

Thanks. I'm afraid I don't care for the various 'radiation' hypotheses, and will not be buying an excimer laser machine just yet. There are a number of reasons for this: 1) The problem of how a dead body can emit sufficient radiation to degrade cloth. This breaks down further into: 1.a) A miraculist...

Yes, it's by Jason Engwer, with whom I have corresponded from time to time, most recently (yesterday) to tell him of my contacting George Rossman.

Incidentally, I was surprised to find that George Rossman still works for Caltech. He has given me permission to quote him: “Every statement about my testing the shroud is total fabrication. It did not happen. I have no idea how or why they chose my name, but it was either a gross mistake on their p...

Yes, I agree with that as far as it goes, but there are two inevitable corollaries to this paper.
a) the inhomogeneity is quite small, to give only 100 years difference across the sample.
b) the closer you get to the corner of the cloth, the older the shroud appears.

Unless some new test shows something far beyond what we now know, I'd say the continued debate is a waste. And if it is authentic, for those who don't want to believe in the event it is tied to, NO amount of evidence will ever convince them. Possibly. And vice versa. There is no need to enter the d...

"Samples from the main part of the cloth are SIGNIFICANTLY different from the Raes samples with regard to cotton content." Well, fair enough. At least we are agree on our facts, if not the opinions we derive from them. I think the variation in the amount, distribution and provenance of th...

Rogers never had access to any threads? I don't know if you are being deliberately funny or not... Certainly not. Sure Rogers both handled and studied the Shroud as a whole cloth, but the STuRP team did not extract any threads at all - in fact they, especially Rogers, went to great lengths to cause...

At the level of organism reproduction. If the organism reproduces, the new material is selected. If it doesn't, it isn't.

Again you are wrong on the basic facts. 1. I double checked and confirmed that Ray Rogers did send Fanti an 'Image fiber'. Yes. just read that last word again, would you? Fibre. Quite so. Fibre. Not thread. Threads are made of fibres. A fibre can be linen or cotton or wool, but not a mixture. A thr...

Well, suit yourself. Ray Rogers had no thread samples from the main part of the cloth, and neither did any of the STuRP team. The Italian contingent, led by Perluigi Baima Bollone, has access to the cloth before STuRP were allowed at it, and extracted several threads, but I don't think they have bee...

Um. Natural selection mostly works at a higher level than cells. No cell decides anything, even metaphorically. Nor does it matter whether evolution goes backwards or forwards. If the new variation leads to increased reproductive success, it gets transmitted and propagated by reproduction whether th...

According to Rogers, the reason that the cotton in the main cloth samples wasn't quantified was there was not enough cotton there to quantify. Indeed. But as I said, neither Rogers nor Heller and Adler had any opportunity to study any Shroud threads, as opposed to sticky tapes. Neither were any of ...

Thank you, Gentlemen. 1) (DBowling) There is a difference between trace amounts of cotton on the surface of the Shroud due to contamination and cotton within the fabric of the cloth itself. Quite true. However, it has not been established whether the main body of the Shroud contains significant quan...