Evidence for God from Science

I am having a hard time reconciling Hebrews 5:9 with justification by faith alone that Paul preached. Does Heb 5:9 teach salvation by works or am I missing something? Context, there is always a context and continuity that answers question you just pointed out. Heb 5:9, And having been made perfect,...

Neither does the Sethite view prove that the Nephilim were humans mixing with another race of human beings who bore the mark of Cain which makes Cain's line technically another race that God caused. Yes, God caused the Mark of Cain and for the later derived 3rd century AD Sethite view to be true th...

Stu wrote:

You're obsessed with Heiser

There are plenty other scholars/Christians who hold to the fallen angel theory as well.

Heiser is the main proponent of the Divine Council teaching which Paul tried to push early in this thread - so yeah, he's a fan.

I have said over and over that here is NO SCRIPTURE that states that the sons of god are fallen angels, how many more times do I have to say it ? As a matter of fact, there is no mention of the term "fallen angel". Not sure how you can say that I don't understand what a fallen angel is, h...

Philip wrote: Beyond all of this, what does getting correct what happened before Noah gain us?

"...as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be..."

It has HUGE eschatological implications.

You will never get DNA manipulation from ANY test in the bible since such things were unheard of. BW's point is that,perhaps, what the writer understood as "bore" (since there was no other way to conceptualize it) was really genetic manipulation. Not to equate one thing with another but w...

P.S. The word spelled in Hebrew, נשׁים - pronounced as nâshı̂ym - translated as wives in Gen 6:2 is used in that spelling 55 times in 53 verses in the OT. It is most often used to mean: women however denoting childbearing women more than it is translated as wives. Also, when it is translated as wiv...

DBowling wrote:
Here's a summary of my current thoughts that I put together for Rick a while ago...

Might I add this source also, which IMO may be onto something:
Six Day Science

This is one of the wilder discussions I've ever read on G&S. And it's filled with speculations that will likely go nowhere. If, IF the "sons of God" are fallen angels, it's certainly not clear from the text. So - let's not go trying to matchy-match Scripture to fit that scenario. It's...

One thing though, other than the passage where Jesus makes it clear that there is no sexual intercourse IN HEAVEN, is there any reason to believe that divine beings can NOT make with humans on Earth? We know that are NOT supposed to but we also know that divine beings have free will and rebel, just...

Why can't you see that giants were produced in Genesis 6 and then when the bible says Goliath (and his brothers too) is a giant somehow change it to mean man? The word used to describe Goliath is not nephyl/nephilim , it's an entirely different word, which means it has a different meaning. Why? If ...

Dr. Michael Heiser: "DEUTERONOMY 32:8 AND THE SONS OF GOD": https://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/05-deuteronomy/text/articles/heiser-deut32-bs.htm Heiser's scholarly expertise is not only in the ancient Hebrew and the languages of the Bible, but of the cultures, bel...

You are dense. The Septugaint was written BEFORE the NT era, was the bible used by Jesus and His followers and it translates it "giants". You obviously did not read the article or the footnotes and links and you just going on "confirmation bias". Honestly, what is wrong with you...

SoCal wrote: Words mean things. When Genesis 7 says that everything that had breath died except that which was with Noah, and yet that's not convincing to someone, they aren't putting their stock in the Bible... The key is dry land where ? What does the text say? Genesis 7:22-24 22of all that was o...

...Jude is NOT saying the angels had sex with women, it's saying they rejected God's authority and left heaven. THEN it mentions the perversion of S&G and those cities around them that engaged in the same sin. THEN Jude states that the apostates in his day are rejecting God's authority (as the ...