Evidence for God from Science

I am not ignoring anything, I have addressed all your points and questions. You have so far ignored: 1. Do you mean those things that are described by the laws of logic? 2. What were your starting premises? 3. If you do not have the concept that God is omnipotent, on what basis do you then level an...

For example, if I ask you whether you can defeat yourself in a fight, such a question is illogical because it treats you as though you are two separate subjects (where one is stronger than the other). Yet, you are only one. I believe asking whether God can assemble something so heavy that He can't ...

If you wish to define it as encompassing the logically impossible which are nonsensical things, then I would agree talk of omnipotence is nonsense. It's not me that encompasses it, it's the definition itself. I'm going by the definition in the dictionary. But we agree on the rest. I'm saying the 's...

Hi Kurieuo! Good points and thanks for the links. I found the first one to be a great explanation: The only way this could make sense is if it is an attempt to pit one aspect of God's ability against another--in this case, His creative ability against His ability to lift. The goal is to show that th...

cc5k, why should we take your reasoning and logic as a valid starting point? Also, while I'm at it, why should we take your reasoning and logic to be valid? How are your rules binding on us? Why must we follow them? Transcendence? Anyone? It's not MY reasoning and logic. It's the reasoning and logi...

So then you agree your "valid reasoning" is bound by your finite experience? Who or what defines valid reasoning? Where does it come from? As long as we agree on what 'valid reasoning' is, then we can hold each other to it. Let's do that instead of getting off topic. No, it is not off-top...

cc5k, why should we take your reasoning and logic as a valid starting point? Also, while I'm at it, why should we take your reasoning and logic to be valid? How are your rules binding on us? Why must we follow them? Transcendence? Anyone? It's not MY reasoning and logic. It's the reasoning and logi...

So then you agree your "valid reasoning" is bound by your finite experience? Who or what defines valid reasoning? Where does it come from? As long as we agree on what 'valid reasoning' is, then we can hold each other to it. Let's do that instead of getting off topic. I am glad you refer t...

Do you know everything there is to know, i.e. every conceivable premise and conclusion, everywhere? What do you mean by logic? Do you mena those things that are described by the laws of logic? Of course I don't. I mean "valid reasoning" when I say "logic". My example made no imp...

Their premise in their answer that they can make a rock so big that they can't lift it is wrong. They are humans, with a finite presence. they therefore want to apply human logic to an omnnipotent God. Not sure what you mean by "human logic". If something contradicts logic, then it is con...

First let me introduce myself, and clarify some issues. I'm the guy who was debating PurelyIronic. Simply put, my claim is that if you assign the adjective "omnipotent" to a being, it is a logical fallacy because 'omnipotent' falls victim to infinite recursion, and is therefore, an impossi...