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by Sargon
Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:19 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Mormonism debunked by Spalding!!
Replies: 37
Views: 24414

No it has... People just need to read it.. And now with the internet more facts about the BoM will be revealed.. Stop acting like the internet is this brand new thing and that from now on The Book of Mormon is doomed. This very topic has been debated for years, and the internet has been the medium ...
by Sargon
Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:12 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Mormonism debunked by Spalding!!
Replies: 37
Views: 24414

Ok, I think we have cleared up the confusion. Manuscript Story by itself is strong enough to sink the BoM's ship.. Yet it hasn't. No... Manuscript Story has already been found.. What Mormon apologists have been doing is saying that Manuscript Story and Manuscript Found are one of the same stories......
by Sargon
Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:51 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Mormonism debunked by Spalding!!
Replies: 37
Views: 24414

Gman, I find your most recent list of parallels weak, but interesting. I have read most of the others that you had listed in a previous post. As I said before, parallels exist no doubt, but in my opinion they are not as strong as you suggest. However my intent is not to debate that issue at this tim...
by Sargon
Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:02 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Mormonism debunked by Spalding!!
Replies: 37
Views: 24414

I am not prepared to present a strong case against your parallels. I have however read both documents, and I find that the stories and styles within both documents are very, very different. One question Gman, I am a bit confused about your position. I wonder if you could clarify one thing for me. 1)...
by Sargon
Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:44 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

What happened?? I have already replied to Fortigurn's last post, and an entire thread that I started has been deleted. Can a moderator explain this to me??

Sargon
by Sargon
Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:33 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

But you know what? I bet you anything they would loose in a one on one debate.. Sargon, you keep thinking that your church has it all together.. It doesn't, ok? And the more people find out about the truth, the more people will leave... For some reason you sound funny saying that. Like some kind of...
by Sargon
Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:46 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

LDS scholars employ the scientific findings of many non-LDS professionals as evidence and support for their conclusions. However, if you are asking me to provide you with the name of a non-believing scientist or scholar, whose objective has been to provide evidence for the Book of Mormon, you are cr...
by Sargon
Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:29 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

Why can't you answer our questions then? It's not that I can't answer them Gman, it's that I do not believe it will be productive. I am not really trying to convince you of anything, because I know that you refuse to accept the possibility that you are wrong. The matter of Zelph has been settled fo...
by Sargon
Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:17 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Mormonism debunked by Spalding!!
Replies: 37
Views: 24414

Objection 4. Finally, comparisons of The Book of Mormon to an earlier Solomon Spalding work called Manuscript Story-Conneaut Creek, a copy of which was recovered in 1833 from an old trunk in Hartwick, New York, show no similarities whatsoever between the two works. In addition, Mormons have consist...
by Sargon
Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:04 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

Well guys I have to say that I am not sure I want to continue the discussion further. I feel that I have presented a thorough and accurate investigation into the matter, and I feel stronger about my position coming out of it then I did going in. Your recent replies to my last posts had no substance ...
by Sargon
Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:57 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

Gman, Sometimes I wonder if we disagree with each other simply because we can't stand to bear the thought of agreeing. I have presented a clear picture of the events, and provided plenty of sources to support it. How is it that you are able to see conspiracy and mischieve in it all?? I hope you reco...
by Sargon
Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:51 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

First to respond to Fortigurn. No, on the one hand we have several different versions of the 'First Vision', some told by Smith, some recorded by other people telling us what Smith apparently told them, and some told by people who were not Smith. On the other hand, we have the same story being told ...
by Sargon
Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:39 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

Sargon we've been down this road many many times before.. If you are saying now that these battles took place in Meso-America... Where is your archaeological proof?? Also why do your Mormon elders say it happened in Northern America? We could launch into a discussion of Meso-American archaeology, b...
by Sargon
Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:46 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

If you are logging on for the first time since yesterday, note that I have a I found a site that includes the words of 5 eye witness accounts of the event. They come from the journals of men who heard what the prophet actually said. They conflict on a few areas, but for the most part agree with each...
by Sargon
Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:07 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

Are you guys interested in staying on topic with the Zelph thing here?? I would be more then happy to discuss the scanned letter you posted in a different thread. * Mormons defend vigorously the various accounts of the First Vision (how many are there, 4 to 6?), despite the many differences between ...