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by Sargon
Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:56 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

Yes, that's the definition of translation. However, when you talk about translating a textual source, what you are talking about is someone: * Viewing the textual source * Reading and comprehending the textual source * Transferring the meaning of the textual souce into another language We are told ...
by Sargon
Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:02 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates
Replies: 109
Views: 40117

Joseph Smith and the translation of the gold plates

Note: Some changes have been made from the original post in the old thread. As I have pointed out, you need to find a definition of 'translation' which actually agrees with your position. My position is that the Book of Mormon is a translation of the gold plates, exactly as every account suggests. W...
by Sargon
Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:20 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

I am going to re-post my last response in a new thread, because "more mormon heresy" does not accurately describe our current discussion. Besides, there is not such thing as mormon heresy.

Sargon
by Sargon
Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:16 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

As I have pointed out, you need to find a definition of 'translation' which actually agrees with your position. My position is that the Book of Mormon is a translation of the gold plates, exactly as every account suggests. What does translation mean? That a message was taken from one language, and ...
by Sargon
Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:22 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

...a number of Mormon apologists have drawn the same conclusions as I have... ...since a number of Mormon apologists have drawn the same conclusions as I have... Again, I can't help returning to the fact that a number of Mormon apologists have drawn the same conclusions as I have, when reading the ...
by Sargon
Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:13 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

Fortigurn, It is not in this post that I will attempt to rebutt your arguments. That will come at a later date. The task of determining what exactly happened and trying to include every account(because we have covered only a small number)is a daunting and time consuming one. There have been countles...
by Sargon
Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:21 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

Fortigurn, Yet another extremely long post. I am severely restricted in my time now that school has started back up. I would be glad to continue the discussion, and rebut every single incorrect claim you have put forth. But I will not be able to dedicate very much time to this any longer, between ca...
by Sargon
Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:20 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

Fortigurn, I am impressed by your research. Often I am grateful for anti-mormons because they endure such painstakingly careful research so they might prove us wrong, and in the process provide us with an excellent and well organized presentation of information. I do however disagree with how you mi...
by Sargon
Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:28 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

The spring semester is in full gear, and unfortunately my posts will be fewer and shorter. I hope to be able to continue the discussion, but please know that it cannot be as fast paced any longer. I have a tough schedule, and grades are very important. I'm sure you know. Today I will not be able to ...
by Sargon
Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:56 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

Fortigurn, I appreciate your having organized your thoughts well in this latest post. As you probably noticed I often try to lay things out in steps and number them, it helps me to define the discussion. I would also like to take this opportunity to commend you on your perseverance, though I wholly ...
by Sargon
Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:48 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

No I do not wonder.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
by Sargon
Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:04 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

I have simply been steadfastly pointing out that the absence of any mention of the Bible in the eye witness accounts does not prove that the Bible was not one of the sources of the material in the Book of Mormon Well the absence of the bible, or any kind of list of names from the bible in all of th...
by Sargon
Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:58 am
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

I have simply been steadfastly pointing out that the absence of any mention of the Bible in the eye witness accounts does not prove that the Bible was not one of the sources of the material in the Book of Mormon Well the absence of the bible, or any kind of list of names from the bible in all of th...
by Sargon
Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:07 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

It has been my understanding that until now we have been trying to determine whether or not Joseph could have taken the names in the Book of Mormon from the Bible or not. I have demonstrated by means of various eye witness accounts that the process by which the Book of Mormon was written included no...
by Sargon
Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:53 pm
Forum: Aberrant Christianity
Topic: more mormon heresy
Replies: 166
Views: 54585

It has been my understanding that until now we have been trying to determine whether or not Joseph could have taken the names in the Book of Mormon from the Bible or not. I have demonstrated by means of various eye witness accounts that the process by which the Book of Mormon was written included no...