Evidence for God from Science

Gman, I finally found some time this evening to look up all the scriptures mentioned above on the topic of Vernal Holley's map of the BoM lands. I found that they indeed do prove his map to be innacurate. It only takes a bit of BoM understanding to see through the confusion. Allow me to help. Angola...

Gman, I am a bit puzzled at your attitude towards the translation of the Book of Mormon. You have dismissed it as silly and unbelievable, and encourage me to do the same, while at the same time would have me continue to believe that a man walked on water, turned water to wine, and raised himself fro...

Just to calm your impressive curiosity...No.

Sincerely,

Sargon

Fortigurn, I admire your zeal in attempting to prove me wrong. However I disagree with your approach. What is that like the 4th time you have posted that map and that list? Can't you at least stick to the topic of this thread? I do not dismiss those things as mere coincidences, so I politely ask you...

Until you can produce the plates, there is no evidence that they exist, let alone that they were written in Egyptian. Producing the plates would be considered the only form of evidence for their existence? Do you discount the many eye witness testimonies? I don't think you would believe even if an ...

Let's try and stick to one "assumption" at a time. And by the way I appreciate the civility with which you compose yourself, I hope I can mirror it. It says "called" not "named" You are right. I was in error by saying that they "named" the lands as opposed to ...

Yes I do, but I am going to hold off on this debate for now. I don't want to be stretched too thin between too many debates, because shortly I will no longer have the same availiability that I now have.

Sargon

I hope you dont mind if I have started a new thread on this. You have presented a list of what you call "assumptions". I think it best if we discuss them individually. Let us determine just how much assuming is going on here. 1) that the city described in the BoM was named by locals and no...

I am going to start a new thread on this. I hope you dont mind.

Sargon

Quote: Let us start from the assumption that the book is what it claims to be. This is circular reasoning. The fact that this is the only grounds on which you can defend the Book of Mormon is telling. My reasoning is no more circular than yours. Of course I am going to start from this premise, for ...

Unfortunately I do not have the time at my disposal right now to respond to your long posts. I will however point out one thing that you may be forgetting. It is in regards to the long list of names that Joseph Smith supposedly took from the bible. Let us start from the assumption that the book is w...

Well they could be used as a support, but I don't believe they originally were. The original basis was that a region called NHM is located in an area that was a probable turning point(literally) for the travelers, a location near where the frankincense trail turns east. The region also hosts a numbe...

Yes I am familiar with it, and it is certainly not a 'theory', it's a 'most likely scenario'. That aside, the map does not stand on whether or not Smith borrowed from Spaulding's manuscript. The Spaulding Theory has long been considered an old refuted idea. It is not taken seriously by any respecte...

I thought you wanted to discuss the claims that NHM correspond with Nahom in the BoM? I am not prepared to say much about the valley of Lemuel, the river of Laman, shazer, irreantum, or any other place name. I have however brushed up on the issue of Nahom, and would be delighted to participate in a ...

It does help. And because I do not know greek, I am forced for now to accept your interpretation. I appreciate your insight, and I trust that you are well-intended person only seeking to do what you believe it correct. For my sake I hope you don't mind if I submit your analysis of this text to anoth...