Evidence for God from Science

In so far as it is used by the "traditionalists" to justify belief in a personally preexistent Christ, the passage in Colossians 1:15-19 ranks right up there with John 1 and Philippians 2. It is easy to see how this conclusion is reached, when the passages read in the gridlock of "ort...

Hello B.W. I'm beginning to see the problem with our communication. We read the same verse and come away with a completely different understanding. B.W. wrote: Sources: Matthew 22:41-44, “Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: 42"What do you think about the...

Act 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples . 19 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, " No, we have not even heard whether there is a ...

B.W. wrote: You state much how the ancient Hebraic traditions interpret the word lord to mean a son, an appointed leader, etc all in an attempt to skirt around the fact the Jesus was more than just a mortal human agent. You site much of the old Hebraic interpretations, such yours of Psalms 110:1 is...

B.W. wrote: As for the state of the Churches you associated with what was the real fault as you saw that turned you bitter? Not what you stated — but the real honest heart felt reason. What you stated is more excuse than the real honest reason. Did you get burned? Whoa, who said I was bitter? I alr...

B.W. wrote: Only God can save and do this as he will not share that glory with another. How: Isaiah 53:1-3 , "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed ? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor ...

Hello , B.W. B.W. wrote: What did you learn during those 27 years? You had to hear and had learned something during that time - what was it - that is what I am asking - not you current opinion or your stance. Were you a member of some church — if so - which one? Well, here's my church life history. ...

Jac wrote: So you believe that when a person is born again, they aren't born with a Spirit "from above," but instead their, sinful, dead spirit is just reformed? Let's look at Hebrew understanding of the Spirit to answer your question. One of the biggest problem for those holding that Hol...

Jac wrote: We just don't believe that He was a man with a sinful nature like you and I have. Jac that's the whole point. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and was born with out sin. He became corruptible flesh yet he never sinned. If he did not have the nature of the flesh then what was the poin...

Hey Fortigurn, I'm using some of your stuff now. Spirit or Flesh? Many prophecies indicated that the Coming One would arise from the "seed," the stock of humanity, in a particular from Abrahamic and Davidic stock. The Messiah would be from the biological chain within the human family, spec...

Jac wrote: Ignorance is no excuse (Rom 1:20). Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. I believe you are mistaken in your unde...

Hello Jac and K: I'm getting lost in your understandings. What do you mean by the words: Heaven and Hell? Heaven is not a physical place but a realm isn't it? I have always believed the Christian reward is the Kingdom of God, not Heaven, is this incorrect? I am aware of the many verses that read kin...

Hey Fortigurn,

Good post but you used up most of the verses I was going to share.

Peace

Paul

Hey Jac 3510 Metzger is extremely helpful, and yes, the apparatus in NA27--all apparatuses that I am aware of--use both Greek and English, and sometimes Latin and a little Hebrew, too. If you have taken enough Greek that you are capable of following the grammar, I'd recommend two resources to you. T...

B.W. Thank you for your informative post. I will attempt to explain, but it will require multiple post. I am posting the following so you can see my thought process, I'm not trying to push my beliefs on anyone. Hey, I could even be wrong. By the way, you forgot Psalms 110:1. First let's review what ...