Evidence for God from Science

Gman, >>Why are you even posting here in this board Wallace? Have you read our guidelines yet? You're right. This likely isn't the place for me. What's more, this conversation is going nowhere fast. You aren't providing definitions of DE, but claim I represent them; you can't provide a working defin...

Hi Jlay - Not to butt in here, but whomever you quoted here was correct ("things are never proven in science"). Your response: "I love that. Science hypothesizes that water will freeze at 32 degrees Fahrenheit. It just never thinks to stick some water in the freezer with a thermometer...

>>Brilliant speech.. Thank you. >>This is not a debate about science itself. This debate is about how you are taking science and bending it to your belief system…. No, this IS a debate about the nature of science. You have made numerous statement about the nature of science, and I have tried to help...

Hey CSLewis -

>>What do you think?

It depends. Do you have a specific point you're making, or a specific aspect of this post you find provocative? Or are you just asking for opinions in general?

Cheers
Al

Gman — I think I know why we are at a deadlock. I had been operating under the assumption that you knew what science is, what theories are and the basic philosophy that governs how science is conducted. You appear not to understand any of this. So I will try to explain these things — not in any patr...

Gman — >> What proof? Possible explanations for the origin of eukaryotes?? How can how this be factual information for life? Can you create eukaryotes from non-life in a lab or not? What is the origin of life of information and where did it come from? Um, I never said “proof”. This is a red herring...

FL: >>I can tell from your reply that your head is in a vise. With your hand, reach up and grasp the vise's handle. Rotate it counter-clockwise to release your head. Breathe deeply. You should be feeling OK by tomorrow. Vise? Um, no. I just found your response - um - interesting. Provocative. In the...

FL: >>"If I had been a moderator, you'd still be in a sewer somewhere, en route to a waste treatment plant" Is this hyperbole? >>then again, I am a former atheist and still have stuff to learn about forgiveness. Atheists don't know anything about forgiveness? Is this what you meant to impl...

Gman - We seem to be at an impasse on virtually everything, and this is evolving (pardon the pun) into more than just a pleasant exchange of ideas. Let me just summarize where I think we are and reiterate a few things, and we may just have to leave it at that: 1. You disagree that the historical sci...

>>Alas, many (most) of your colleagues in the scientific community are not so forgiving. Here's a sample from talkorigins.org: Yes, I can not profess to speak for all who teach or study evolution. I was speaking for myself, here, and the way that I teach evolution and the philosophy of science. Yet ...

So yes, the scientific literature abounds with "is possible that" or "seems consistent with" . That's just the way science works. But the bottom line is, the ToE is used to understand phenomena - so what? So is every other theory. Why then is it taught as an undeniable fact ? It...

>>We? I thought you said you were a biology teacher... And taking things out of context? Again, are you really reading and understanding the papers given? All they say is that they think this or they think that... Nothing is written in stone here.. Nothing. That is what they are reporting here.. No ...

>>First of all I didn't say that I was upset with you… You didn't say it; it was becoming evident from your posts. I apologize. >>If anything it seems to me that you are the one being upset with the information doesn't line up with your ToE.. I am not upset. I have been consistently apologetic when ...

>>Actually, nice try but I do not have that book Exploring Evolution.... It wasn't actually a "try". Merely an observation. But quote mining on both sides of the debate is not a very useful or productive manner for making an argument. Well it was a wrong observation.. Sorry.. Mining? And ...

Gman - I may have to limit my participation in this thread for a variety of reasons; first, this is quickly snowballing into something that is taking huge amounts of my (and your) time. Not that I am disinterested in dialogue - only that this discussion has grown past the point that I can respond to...