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by the sleep of reason
Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:29 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

True... As another example... Mormon's believe that blacks were cursed by God so that he gave them blackness of skin as a marker. As for Islam, it claims that men are superior to women and that it is ok to beat your wife. Paradise can be obtained "automatically' with no judgment at martyrdom. ...
by the sleep of reason
Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:10 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

Sleep, You are a smart guy, don't let your intellect lead. thanks but i have you fooled. without any hummility i can say i'm really barely smart enough to realize i'll never be smart. i cant spell or do math and dont know what have* of anything means. *see? honest to God typo. HALF! all i know for ...
by the sleep of reason
Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:07 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

What's your basis for making this claim? Are you familiar with Hebrew and the word used in the 10 commandments for "Kill?" You're committing a category error in your reasoning here. You're applying a particular contextual meaning of the word "kill" as it used in English... 1. ye...
by the sleep of reason
Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:25 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

You need to look closer at the laws given in the Bible. There are corporate and individual laws given there... Under NO circumstances is it EVER permitted for an individual to take someone's else's life.... Period. gman, i 'm confused about these things-- are you saying no one ever has the right to...
by the sleep of reason
Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:12 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

Sleep, Scripture sometimes operates at two levels of communication. i've heard scripture actually operates on four levels of communication. i have also heard that the fourth level is, for a lack of a better term, like zen or nirvana--total spiritual understanding, and is what we should seek. the fi...
by the sleep of reason
Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:15 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Another challenge to Darwinists
Replies: 92
Views: 19176

Re: Another challenge to Darwinists

Bats and rats are not that similar, first of all. Bats are not just rodents with long fingers with skin in between. Secondly, as Canuckster has pointed out very nicely already, this is a matter of trusting circumstantial evidence for the large-scale changes (i'e, trusting that this did happen in th...
by the sleep of reason
Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:18 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Another challenge to Darwinists
Replies: 92
Views: 19176

Re: Another challenge to Darwinists

Sleep, Within a species the genes can and do make for a wide variety of adaptation. The color of fur, the length of an ear, etc. But this is limited to a mix of genes that are already there in the population of a species. A mutation could also happen but these are limited to a single or double neuc...
by the sleep of reason
Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:05 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

gman, about murder: i do not pretend to know when killing is or is not ok. i pray i never have to make the decision. all i am saying is all of this stuff about when it's ok to kill and not ok to kill is NOT outlined in the bible. it just says "dont kill." even if it said "dont murder&...
by the sleep of reason
Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:46 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

frank, this has been by far the most productive post from you and i thank you for making it. as you posted here, you understand salvation exactly as I do. The bottom line is that you don't have to die a Christian to go to heaven. Now it does state that you can't get to heaven by works alone. You mus...
by the sleep of reason
Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:43 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

ok, now i feel like we are getting somewhere. to canuckster: your input helps a lot. i think you've thought about some of these same things. to answer directly: i am seeking answers for the sake of my better understanding.i dont think salvation is so complex we cannot grasp it. nor do i think we sho...
by the sleep of reason
Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:52 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Another challenge to Darwinists
Replies: 92
Views: 19176

Re: Another challenge to Darwinists

Sleep, Canuckster and I feel the same way about evolution. He stated it well. There is an edge where the processes of evolution won't allow what we see. Now I may have a dfferent point at which I draw the line than with Canuckster. I would draw the line where Michael Behe draws it. In his book &quo...
by the sleep of reason
Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:19 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Another challenge to Darwinists
Replies: 92
Views: 19176

Re: Another challenge to Darwinists

i still think we are diminishing the complexity of genetics. this reverse engineering point is moot, we cant reverse engineer a microchip and it's only complex 10^6. genes are 10^10. that's going to take some time. and we are making giant leaps. do you just dismiss the human genome project? what do ...
by the sleep of reason
Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:13 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

gman, i like your candor. about murder: i've heard this a lot. but logically i have to ask what is murder? to kill with no reason? what if they slept with your wife? killing in self-defence isnt murder? but the bible doesnt clarify this. however God does call us to war and orders human-on-human kill...
by the sleep of reason
Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:52 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

Almost nobody knows about the personal life of Newton. It really does not matter. Your response speaks volumes. I would recommend you slow down and absorb what you have already been exposed to. Try talking to God, it may feel real weird at first, I know I had a very hard time. It gets easier every ...
by the sleep of reason
Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:48 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: the need for a bible
Replies: 132
Views: 27363

Re: the need for a bible

frankbaginski wrote:Sleep,

I was in college for ten years, get a grip. A simple I don't know is so easy for me. Why must you go off on a tangent? Take a deep breath and relax. You have until your life ends to figure this out.
it was a joke. note the 'hahs'