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- Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:25 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 17910
Re: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
I remember seeing a video on YouTube by an atheist. He got a packet of sugar, poured it into the pan, showed on camera how they landed and then sarcastically remarked something along the lines of: "Wow, the odds of all those grains of sugar landing in the exact way they did is astronomically i...
- Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:52 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 17910
Re: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
Well since I keep getting it wrong, again I ask what exactly you think this "cited evidence" of Ross' is? "The actual finding is that the theoretical value of the cosmological value differs from the measured value by 10^123 times." And even if such a claim were true, so what? We...
- Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:00 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 17910
Re: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
I'm saying we don't know. The evidence we have acquired thus far is insufficient, and so it is disingenuous to state either which way. The evidence we have acquired so far shows vacuum energy does exist. Should we believe otherwise? If not, then how about you propose an alternate probability for th...
- Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:27 pm
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 17910
Re: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
It's basically an example of invalid logic: the conclusion does not follow from the premise. What is it exactly that was twisted? Are you saying if the universe differed by 1 in 10^120 then everything would run just fine? I'm saying we don't know. The evidence we have acquired thus far is insuffici...
- Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:03 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 17910
Re: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
And Ken was saying that this isn't what the evidence suggests: he understands the argument, but he's pointing out that the evidence cited doesn't say what Ross says it does. And a change of 10^120 is absolutely enormous; how can that be considered 'fine-tuning'? PS: woo, first post :wave: . Are you...
- Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:11 am
- Forum: Philosophical Discussions
- Topic: What are the top arguments atheists should NOT use?
- Replies: 44
- Views: 18003
Re: What are the top arguments atheists should NOT use?
I like what Richard Dawkins said in a debate once: "I don't care what sort of evidence you can provide for the existence of God, I SIMPLY CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IT" (emphasis added). That sort of says it all. Can you tell us where he said this? Top arguments? Umm... no broad-brushing. That...
- Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:01 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 17910
Re: Did Dr. Ross Fudge The Facts?
Sounds to me like Ken does not understand what is being said. If the cosmological constant differed by more than 10^120 it is said it would either expand too quickly to form solar stars, or cave in to gravitational forces. Thus, life as we know it would be rendered impossible. And Ken was saying th...