Evidence for God from Science

I am fully aware of how the trinity doctrine is derived. I have been through this before. One of the greatest problems with the trinity doctrine is that it is a derived doctrine , not a doctrine stated in Scripture. Yes, and Christadelphian doctrine is derived too!!! The doctrine of the Trinity is ...

God is very scary. We need to get back to teaching the fear of the Lord (not removing it). Psalm 111:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever." Luke 12:4-5 “And I say to you, My friends, do...

numeral2_5 wrote:I also don't understand how a spirit can live outside time.

Off-topic, new thread required.

I personally don't understand the concept of god or know if he or she exists; the thing that stops me is if god created everyting because everything is so complex; than who created the even more complex god himself and so on. I feel no matter what way you cut it you have the inconceivable concept o...

numeral2_5 wrote:Agnostics don't understand the concept of a god; I know, most of my family are agnostics.

Yes, they DO understand the concept of God, they just cannot know if one exists. What does this have to do with the original point of this thread?

numeral2_5 , anyway you cut it, slice it, or dice it, this is going in complete 360 degree circles. Your information is not even to the level to be called sufficient, you have provided no proof let alone evidence that apes have COMPLEXITIES in abstract and emotional thinking. I have seen this stuff...

I don't in a million years think that they are as smart as us; I just think they are capable of complex emotion and abstract thought. Perhaps, but is there proof, let alone evidence of COMPLEX emotion and abstract thought? Perhaps, but is there proof, let alone evidence of COMPLEX emotion and abstr...

numeral2_5 wrote:I don't in a million years think that they are as smart as us; I just think they are capable of complex emotion and abstract thought.

Perhaps, but is there proof, let alone evidence of COMPLEX emotion and abstract thought?

numeral2_5, clearly we are going in circles getting nowhere. Again, what is the point you are bringing up? That monkeys are very smart? Yes, smart. Smart as we really think they are? No.

numeral2_5 wrote:I don't think that Ape Art 1 was a product of random stabbing/stroking.

Again, we are going in circles. You can think it was not random, but what constitutes as random to you?

That's what I've been saying. How did the chimp know how the world looked like? I don't think it did but I do think It had something in mind;beit an object, place or feeling. Well in mind, it felt like stabbing/stroking on the canvas. An ape does not know what the complete world looks like from a b...

Thinker said: Quite organized is not an option, but it can for you. This is freestyle art, how does a monkey know what the world looks like without seeing a map of it? If it saw a map of the world, do you expect the painting to look very similar to the actual thing? I don't believe so. I doesn't kn...

I did merely speculate about the hamster like I said but I don't think you give animals enough credit. I have seen video of chimps paint and they do use brush strokes unlike elephants who just stab. Monkeys don't stab? I believe I have seen it on Discovery Channel that they do. I have also seen ele...

I think that particular one looks quite organized like a map of the world. Quite organized is not an option, but it can for you. This is freestyle art, how does a monkey know what the world looks like without seeing a map of it? If it saw a map of the world, do you expect the painting to look very ...

I do think although it is human directed animal art isn't always complete gibberish; take a look. http://www.great-apes.com/apePaintings.htm Look at AA501 That picture is gibberish, look at the others, that proves absolutely nothing except that they are curious and will use what is given. Ever watc...