Evidence for God from Science

ttoews, I understand your concerns, but part of the problem I have with your entire line of thought is that you aren't offering an alternative. What we know for 100% fact is that Jesus' death somehow served as a propitiation and expiation of God's wrath. He died so that we didn't have to. We know th...

If I can just interject here . . . Mastermind, I think you are missing K's point. Can God sin? Can God lie? Can He tempt us to do evil? Can He be imperfect? Can He worship Satan? There are certain things that God CANNOT do, and those are the things that are inconsistent with His nature. You just adm...

I just want to ask TO a general question: if God doesn't know the future decisions of men (based on the idea that such knowledge is unknowable, and therefore outside the realm of omniscience), how is it that we find prophecy in the Scriptures? Daniel 11 is a great example. We have references to cert...

Haha, like I said, it's dispensationalism, Bav. We'd have to start a new thread on that. Suffice it to say here that I believe God DOES distinguish between Jew and Gentile, that Jews have a special place in the eyes of God, and that God has not forsaken the Jews as a people. They will be preserved, ...

A'ight ttoews . . . I note the NIV also provides for "be a sin offering on our behalf". In any event, I would not interpret "to be sin" literally. The Son is God and as God must always be holy. If the verse is taken literally, it means God became sin, or in other words, became th...

Oh boy . . . Let me just state a simple interpretation of Romans 11, MD. This is going to depend a lot on if you are a dispensationalist or not, and I happen to be. I don't have a problem with Romans 11 because it is not talking about individual salvation, but it is rather talking about the initiati...

Unfortunately, GT is tied very, very strongly into Satanology. I don't really know that you could take Satan's fall out of the picture and still say you subscribe to the theory. I would agree, K, that GT's pull way to much from their reference's. As for some specifics . . . RGeeB: I need to do my ow...

Funny . . . I kept expecting Mr. Jacobsen to reference some Scriptures supporting his view. I mean, I can think of one off the top of my head. In John 4, Jesus tells to woman at the well that a time was coming when people would not worship God only at the temple, but "in spirit and in truth.&qu...

I've always dismissed the Gap Theory out of hand, but a book entitled The Invisible War has made me step back to re-examine it. First, let me briefly note that "examining" doesn't mean "considering accepting." This is especially true considering many of the extrapolations from th...

No apology is/was necessary, but it's accepted either way. Bav and I have known each other for some time, and we've had our spats before. The great news is that this one, the previous ones, and future ones all combined aren't going to change the fact that we're brothers in the Lord and that we'll se...

OK guys, this is the last time I'll respond in this thread. As has been noted, things are getting a bit heated, and while that is OK to an extent, I think we are coming close to the place where we all have to say (or at least me) that we have stated our positions and let conclusions be drawn. Briefl...

Then STOP providing the straw man for me. I'm not providing the attack, Bav. I've set forth a position and you have twisted it to say something that it does not say. Insist all you wish, OSAS says that even if I or anyone should fall away and stay away they are saved...that is what OSAS is! That is...

Bav, I'm going to simply ask you to STOP with that objection. You are presenting a clear cut straw man of what OSAS is all about, and you know it, because I have explained it more than a few times. GRACE DOES NOT GIVE A PERSON THE LICENSE TO SIN!!! Quit saying that OSAS says it does. IT DOES NOT. Lo...

I have said it a million times before: we cannot unjustify what God has justified. What God has declared righteous, we cannot declare unrighteous. But, just because we are JUSTIFIED does not mean we will be thoroughly SANCTIFIED in this life. We can lose our inheritance in heaven . . . not our plac...

Took the words right out of my mouth, Christian. Seriously . . . same verse references and everything