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by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:21 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

A Y323: So from Romans 7:21-25 I understate that you have two natures, the sinful one (with sin as your master) and your mind (where God is your master). So each separate part of you has a master of their own. So there are no two masters for one part. That's a pretty good loophole for the whole “onl...
by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:14 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

Gabrielman: Based in what you have said, you would let your son kill himself. If he wants to since it's his will and you can´t force him to do yours. Wouldn't you force him not to do it, and try, even if it takes all your strength, to make him not kill himself? Even if he hated you for it? You know...
by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:32 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

A Y323: So according to John 8:34 if you sin you are a slave to sin right? If you say this I assume you never sin, since you are slave to Jesus. Because according to Matthew 6:24 you cannot have 2 masters. So since Jesus is already your master, you no longer sin, for sinning would make sin your mast...
by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:25 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

If the richest guy comes and pays your fine, it's cool, he did you a solid, you're gonna be thankful, but is that as meaningful as say your family is poor and have to get a huge debt their gonna be working probably for the rest of their lives and yours to pay that fine? I don't think those actions ...
by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:13 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

Jlay: Again, you say that God exist, that's it for you, there is no way that would change right? You are a 100% sure you have the right answer. For you every other person that's not Christian is wrong. And then you said you know the nature of God, that somehow your normal human brain can compute a b...
by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:21 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

Jlay: I've never started this thread to prove anything, it was always just to know peoples opinion, I'm not trying to make you see things the way I do, why would I want that? My intention was always to get your opinion and see how other people see and feel the whole Jesus story. “Like I said, your p...
by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:01 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

Zoegirl: I already asked this, (and they told there was a thread about it but I haven't had the time to read it all) but I'll ask you now, how forsaken was Jesus if his father was waiting for him to revive him and take him to heaven? “From a judicial standpoint, when someone pays a fine...does that ...
by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:24 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

Gabrielman: Based in what you have said, you would let your son kill himself. If he wants to since it's his will and you can´t force him to do yours. Wouldn't you force him not to do it, and try, even if it takes all your strength, to make him not kill himself? Even if he hated you for it? You know...
by Manfer84
Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:23 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

Well Danny M. I apologize for not letting my point come across as I wanted to, what I meant, and have already rectify myself quite a few times is that every action has meaning but not all actions are equally meaningful. No worries. I'm sorry I had to labour the point. So, do you think Jesus atoning...
by Manfer84
Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:28 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

So let me get this straight. You "question" whether Jesus' sacrifice was meaningful (you disregarded the "good deed" done in your "buffet" analogy as "meaningless," thus implying Jesus' sacrifice was meaningless), yet you regard an "act of love," di...
by Manfer84
Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:25 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

Gabrielman: Based in what you have said, you would let your son kill himself. If he wants to since it's his will and you can´t force him to do yours. Wouldn't you force him not to do it, and try, even if it takes all your strength, to make him not kill himself? Even if he hated you for it? You know ...
by Manfer84
Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:53 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

Gabrielman: He can do it, he can force us to heaven or dammed us to hell; he can do anything. He chooses not to do it, but he can. From what I understand, there is nothing God can´t do. And if you are all-powerful of course everything is easy. If your strength was infinite would you find something i...
by Manfer84
Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:13 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

For example: Action one: I give my girlfriend a rose for valentines; is it an action with meaning? Sure it is. You reckon? ;) Giving your girlfriend a rose on "valentines" has no meaning whatsoever; other than it "means" you are conforming to someone telling you you should give ...
by Manfer84
Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:05 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus Death
Replies: 87
Views: 16030

Re: Jesus Death

I don't have anything to offer God. He already knows everything so I don't know that anyone has something to offer God. What can you offer a being that has the power to do everything and anything? Your free will? He gave that to you so why would he need it? Your love? He also made that. So what can...
by Manfer84
Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:45 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Morals without god/the bible
Replies: 448
Views: 79387

Re: Morals without god/the bible

So by Fürstentum Liechtenstein post I would conclude that god is making me a stronger atheist. Or am I reading it wrong? God hardened Pharaoh's heart because Pharaoh had already hardened his. God can use evil for a purpose, that doesn't mean he created evil. So how much have you hardened your heart...