Evidence for God from Science

You are fashioning a god according to your own rules and assumptions by claiming God wants things to be the best they possibly can. That is a fallacious assumption my friend, made up by you. Who told you God wants things to be the best they possibly can? According to the source (God’s Word) nowhere...

Oh, and if we have anyone on the forum actually named clyde, I apologize for using your name as our generic example of a child rapist.

am CeT-To wrote: Genesis 2:17 - i'm sorry didn't he warn Adam? Dont you already know whats right and wrong? "He's omniscient and omnipotent, he can come up with a better plan that doesn't involve someone dying, and make it happen" Relative to what? LOL the fact that he is omniscient and o...

Happycynic, do you mean Utilitarianism based ethics? Ethics based on whether the action helps people or hurts people. If that's utilitarian or utilitarianism-based, then yes. Ok what is this "God could make the world be better" stuff, what do you mean by this? Is the world imperfect? If s...

Hey, I'm more of a lurker around here but occasionally I have something to say. So if you don't mind me jumping in here, I'd just like to say that I disagree with your definition of omnipotence in relation to the Christian God. God being omnipotent means He can do anything that He wills to do, not ...

I probably should brush up on those. Just for now though, I'd like to clarify that I'm using objective to mean "exists as the same real thing independent of what people think about it". Either way, I view the morality debate as a tangent; I await your later posts with curiousity

This really misses the whole thing. In fact your whole statement demonstrates a basic lack of understanding the nature and character of God as revealed in the Bible. *shrug* the only traits of the deity I'm arguing against are Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Omnibenevolence. Perhaps I don't understan...

sounds good. a few things though, about disagreeing on morality. I believe in objective morality, but not objective as in handed down in a complete list of do's and don'ts. It's objective because there's an objective equation to figure out whether something is moral or not, and it's an equation with...

But he lives in a society where such acts are permitted and he has no fear of law enforcement whatsoever. And the girl he practices his acts with says she is ok with it. Who are you to tell him or her they are wrong? If nobody's hurt, then yeah, I'd say it's not wrong. But that's a far-fetched exam...

Whoops, a reply slipped past me. Sorry, CeT-To; I'll take care of it now :) Here's his post for reference. LOL hahah damn thats huge wall of text :P But anyway, you said aaalll that yet you never thought to yourself " hmmm hang on maybe there is a plan in all of this suffering?" Look at th...

For his ultimate happiness? Maybe he's right and that would make him really happy. Could also blow up in his face when law enforcement shows up, but there you go. For the girls' ultimate happiness though, it's a clear loss. Their loss is a lot worse than his gain. He gets his jollies, they get a lif...

Canuckster1127 wrote:Basic Utilitarianism.

Pretty much.

Objective evil: Yes. I believe there is stuff that, objectively, shouldn't happen. Stuff we'd be better off without. see my references to exploding organs. I'm not sure I would call it evil , but it's basically the same thing. Is it evil?: Bad stuff makes more unhappiness than happiness. Good stuff ...

Sounds like we're good then :esmile: I guess the only thing you could really disqualify me on is that I'm not seriously considering becoming christian. If I'm proven wrong I'll have no choice but to start believing accordingly, but realistically I don't expect anything so definitive to come out of t...

I'm mostly citing the consensus that I've found online and in other sources, I haven't done much research on it myself. Honestly, I'm really not particularly concerned with what the founding fathers intended or believed. They were pretty insightful, yeah, but i think people put way too much weight o...