Evidence for God from Science

I can't remember exactly where I heard this, and am certainly no expert, but I think the reason is historical. As far as I know, a few decades ago some JWs had the neat idea of having their own blood frozen for future emergencies to get around the whole transfusion ban. When the Watchtower got wind ...

I don't see how one goes with the other. Both discuss the possibility of other universes. And are you calling for an infinite amount of evidence and research? So scientists do more research and discover more evidence...so, you still don't want conclusions drawn until MORE research is done, and no c...

I think BGood's point is that if you dismiss Multiverse as pseudoscience you dismiss the fine tuning argument as pseudoscience by default.

Personally I don't have much respect for either concept, pending further evidence and research.

My strongest association with the word Starbuck is still...



I find out recently that Starbuck is also a character in Moby ****:"the young First Mate of the Pequod, is a thoughtful and intellectual Quaker."

So although many-universe theories may be able to provide a range of alternative universes (including significant ones such as ours perhaps), they cannot explain the underlying laws required to produce these universes. Kurieuo I agree and find myself skeptical about the multi-verse hypothesis, thou...

If not 'all by chance', how then? I don't see chance as an explanation: it is merely a comment on whether a proposed mechanism is considered certain, possible or improbable. It does nothing to describe that mechanism. How did the universe come to be: I don't know. I do not choose to suspend disbeli...

Welcome LifeisGreat!

Hang around and you'll find people are not prejudiced here. Afterall, they've accepted me!

Thanks Jbuza. Obviously we disagree on the big questions and I appreciate you reaching out on points of agreement that do exist between us. I would like to explicitly state, however, that I do not think "fine tuning is flawed therefore we're here by chance" - rather I think "fine tuni...

Here's a link to Dr. Ned Wright's site at UCLA. Dr. Wright is a PHD in astrophysics. Check out the paragraph titled Flatness-Oldness Problem in particular. Yet another example of the fine-tuning of the universe. http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_03.htm#FO Another site (from the University of ...

Escape from science to metaphysics? LOL. The multiverse theory, it's so cute. It's not science. I never mentioned or implied multiverses. I talked of conceivably possible universes in a stastical sense which is the what fine tuning does and so is the formal way to analyse the idea. And I don't know...

the ratio of the proton's size to the neutron's and its deviation probability are well established facts. As are the numbers governing the strength of gravity, or the cosmological constant, and many others. Here's a link that contains some quotes by well known scientists (who are also atheists) but...

First, that is not a mere claim, it is a well agreed-upon probability. I disagree. No one in this thread has derived or justified the figure. It seems to have been taken on faith, if you pardon the pun. I don't know how you could possibly arrive at that conclusion. Precisely. Meaningless, isn't it?...

I don't find the odds at all that bad, when I account for an intelligence that orders and arranges life they shrink much closer to 1:1. Earlier Byblos claimed the odds of us existing to be 1 against 10^37. In other words, there are 10^37 conceivable universes but only 1 allows for us to exist and w...

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I take the second option.

Now what we need is a nihilist to post in favour of the first option (we don't exist) and we'd have the full spectrum of opinion.

If you look at the least fine-tuned example (maximum deviation in the ratio of electrons to protons) it is mind-boggling to see that it is 1 in 10 ** 37 (to the power 37). In other words, what science is telling us is that the probability of that happening is so infinitesimal that it can be conside...