Evidence for God from Science

Hi John, you're (Don) not arguing the absence of a 'star'. You're arguing that the star was demonic, used by Satan to deceive the Magi into going to Jerusalem for the purpose of alerting Herod so he can in turn kill the children in fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:15 (wooh, that was a mouthful Yep. Althou...

Maybe I'm not understanding your points but it seemed to me that you were appealing to the fact that the "Star" is not mentioned in Luke but is in Matthew, provides a basis to question the Magi's arrival and the means of their determining the time of Christ's birth. I take that as a histo...

I had said that since Luke didn't mention anything about a 'star,' that therefore there was no 'star' when Jesus was born. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. But it is not just the absence of evidence of a 'star' in Luke's account that indicates to me that there was no 'star.' T...

Hi FFC, Would I be the master of the over statement if I said that I think you are going to Great extremes with your star theory just so you can add credence to your belief that Christians shouldn't celebrate Christmas? I don't have anything against Christians who want to celebrate Christmas. I thin...

Bizzt, But you still cannot explain this scripture Don Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. Are you asking, How could those Astrologers have known that a King of the Jews had been born somewhere in the middle e...

Hi bizzt, One of the things I said was that if their was a star associated with Jesus' birth I have to wonder why Luke never mentioned any star. Probably the Same reason why he Never mentioned the Magi?? I have thought that the reason Luke didn't mention the Magi was because they weren't there when ...

John, So if Herod heard the news from the shepherds instead of the Magi and still committed the killings, would you be arguing that Satan used the shepherds, and therefore they are ultimately responsible, just as the star is in your current argument? If God had not revealed where Jesus had been born...

Hi John, If there was no star and the Magi didn't know about he birth of the new king, do you think that Herod would not have found out some other way? Sure. Luke 2:20 says that on leaving the manger "Then the shepherds went back, glorifying and praising God for all the things they heard and sa...

Without the star, the Magi would've found their way to Jerusalem first But without that 'star' what reason would astrologers have had for making such a long trip to Jerusalem in the first place? They said the only reason they had made the trip was because, "We saw his star when we were in the ...

John, I do not agree that the Magi were misled by Satan. We know for a certainty that the shepherds in Luke's account were not misled by Satan. They were not misdirected to go to Jerusalem where Herod was. God's angel told them that they would find Jesus in Bethlehem. They didn't need to consult wit...

Are you saying if the star wasn't there, then Jeremiah's prophesy would not have been fulfilled? Since Jeremiah's prophecy didn't mention anything about a 'star' then it would seem that the presence or absence of such a 'star' would not have any effect on Jeremiah's prophecy one way or the other. I...

Hi Byblos, The killing of the children by Herod was in fulfillment of the prophesy in Jeremiah 31:15 and not due to the star leading the Magi to Herod. My thinking is that if that 'star' had not led those men to Herod, he would not have known about Jesus' birth and therefore there would have been no...

Bizzt, I may misunderstand you on this matter, but I get the impression that you feel that the 'star' was something good that God had provided so that those men from the east would be able to find Jesus. You quoted Mat 2:8: "And Herod sent the wise men them to Bethlehem, and said, 'Go and searc...

Mr. Hyde, Here are some things I came across... Stars in the Old Testament. "There was one part of the world where, officially at least, the art of Astrology was condemned and ridiculed. Just one tiny part of the known world rejected astrology, its predictions and those who made them. That plac...

Mr. Hyde, The king of Judah (Josiah I think) was in the process of cleaning up all the false religious practices that his predecessors had fallen into. Among many other things, "He put out of business...those making sacrificial smoke to Baal, to the sun and to the zodiac and to all the army of ...