Evidence for God from Science

In the same way, the seeds of the Gospel are found as early as Genesis 3:15. Various covenants are made and can be likened to various parts of the plant as it grows. The Adamic Covenant gave rise to the Noahic Covenant which gave rise to the Abrahamic Covenant which gave rise to the Mosaic Covenant...

. . If Christ made it his custom to attend the synagogue weekly, how much more must we need to do the same? (Luke 4:16) Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." Since creation there has been a day set asid...

Mastermind wrote:Didn't Jesus fulfill the old laws? Which, if I understand correctly, means the old testament does not necessarily apply to us.

Of course...that's what I say too. We can now murder and steal at will!
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To Bav, specifically, we can agree to disagree on this. I'm sure it will come up in the future again. It's certainly a central doctrine. I hope I never came across harsh or arrogant in my own replies. If anything came across that way, accept my own apologies, because it wasn't intended. In any case...

Bav, First, I want to say that I agree with your theology. I could be wrong, but I'm very certain that we wait for the adoption into Christ's Kingdom after we have run our race, kept our faith, and finished the course. Hereforth we will receive the crown of righteousness unto eternal life - the ful...

Second, I want to say that I don't agree with your tactics. There is no reason to become condescending towards Jac - the "you're supposed to be the pastor here" is a rather prideful, attacking statement to assert. I would be very surprised if Jac decides to respond to your post anymore no...

Edit: Apology is two posts down...as I was pointed to my sin...and accepted. OK guys, this is the last time I'll respond in this thread. As has been noted, things are getting a bit heated, and while that is OK to an extent, I think we are coming close to the place where we all have to say (or at le...

I believe that OSAS is true only of the true believer. One that is in a constant relationship with the Spirit, falling daily, and getting up daily. The point is Bav, everyone falls. Just like you mention here; falling and getting up. So what then; if you die in the evening before getting up spiritu...

If a sinner has confessed Christ as Lord and Savior...and falls away, what importance is there in bringing him/her back? OSAS says s/he is saved no matter what...right? Let the fallen away remain away because OSAS! In many respects we're not trying to bring him back for his own sake. Rather it's so...

It's thinking like yours that leads directly into a 'saved by works' mindset Bav. Protestants broke from the Catholics for this very reason. Works replacing Faith is the very reason why we so often see the Catholic church dead - there is no Faith there. I don't know what else to say; (I've edited a...

There's a guy on another forum who vehemently denies God's existence; says he drifted away in a 6-7 year process and now is convinced that God never existed in the first place. I don't know him personally though. He's tough to argue with because he knows more about the scriptures than pretty much e...

Does anyone know of anybody who accepted God's grace through Christ and then 'fell away' for the rest of their lives? All the drifters I knew (only a couple) eventually came back to Christ. Maybe OSAS is true in a sense - just because God in His mercy always brings the prodigals back. There's a guy...

So, I challenge you to present me with a single passage that says a person can LOSE their salvation. You can't do it, because it's not in the Bible, because it is not a biblical position. Justification is a declaration of God. God never declared Adam righteous. He did declare me righteous the momen...

Bav, I'm going to simply ask you to STOP with that objection. You are presenting a clear cut straw man of what OSAS is all about, and you know it, because I have explained it more than a few times. GRACE DOES NOT GIVE A PERSON THE LICENSE TO SIN!!! Quit saying that OSAS says it does. IT DOES NOT. L...

I don't quite understand your question. :oops: Do you mean when I drifted away? If so, as I said it was a gradual process. If you had asked me last year if I was saved then I would have said "yes, but I am not living the Christian way of life" Mark I have said it a million times before: w...