Evidence for God from Science

What if the universe didn't require creation? I mean, if God (or aliens apparently) created the Universe, what did they do before that? I think we all agree that time is infinite, so why believe that the elements of the Universe had to be created? Why can't they just always have been here, such that...

C'mon Zamis. Divine watchmaker? Clearly not. Obviously, it was a divine plate of pasta: http://www.venganza.org The ID advocates here are going to assail you for this one, because you mention Christianity. I mean, there are millions of non-Christian ID advocates... somewhere. In any case, you're goi...

That is, if the designers are complex, they too must have been intelligently designed, so who designed them? The only escape from that argument seems to be that the original designer (the "unmoved mover") had to be supernatural. Ah, but now you're bringing up religion. If we are the labor...

Prior to your quote, I reviewed the other component of the argument's antecedent, which you omitted: Quoting that post: I may have this wrong, but it seems that now you've presented another logical fallacy: denial of the antecedent. If A then B. Not A, therefore not B. That argument is logically uns...

OK, so irrespective of the religious affiliation of the creator, is the creator necessarily supernatural? That depends on whether the ID proponent is examining a biological specimen, in which case the designer could be material aliens who seeded earth with lifeforms created in their labs, or examin...

I think any single-chromosome genetic mutation should suffice to disprove assumption 1, given that a tRNA or RNAi discrepancy from the DNA would result in a phenotypic anomoly of the offspring. The "would" in that sentence should be changed to "might". The point remains, but I d...

I just realized, my simple, initial question has still not been answered. Here it is again: What kind of evidence would it take to change the mind of someone who believes in intelligent design? This is the fundamental pre-requisite of a scientific theory. If it's so simple, somebody just post it. It...

blackmail: (v) extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information If the NAS and NSTA don't wish to be affiliated with something they don't think meets the fundamental pre-requisites of a scientific theory, I fail to unde...

KMart, Quote: No...what he's saying is that if evolution were sentient and had a goal in mind, irreducibly complex systems could be made through it...but evolution has no goal, unlike Dawkin's computer simulator, which "knew" when to keep a mutation in a sentence from being changed because...

KMart, Don't deride other people who don't agree with you. That's not very Christ-like of you. I have a degree in philosophy. Discussing the elements of logical argument doesn't require that I mindlessly copy from Google. At any rate, even if I copied the nature of logical fallacies straight from an...

It seems to me that your point makes two distinct assumptions: 1) individual mutations couldn't be worthwhile in and of themselves and 2) organisms with mutations can't procreate. If assumption 1 were true, no single mutation would be viable. I'll give you one genetic mutation that is viable in and ...

I think I'm beginning to see the differences, but I still have some questions. This discussion is overlapping a lot with the one on this thread: http://discussions.godandscience.org/viewtopic.php?t=1422 I don't want to detract from those wishing to talk about Mr. Robertson and since the discussions ...

OK, so irrespective of the religious affiliation of the creator, is the creator necessarily supernatural? I would assume so, because anything that created all physical things (and I'll include both energy and mass in that) would have to be itself non-physical... or else, you end up with the question...

Thinker: Thanks for the ID/creationism clarification. OK, so the only difference between the two is that the creator of ID isn't necessarily the God of Christianity. Do I have that right? Just so you don't think I'm here for another assault, I'll put my cards on the table. My initial reaction to the...

KMart, OK, I'm obviously not getting this. I'm reading the document in the link you sent and there are numerous logical fallacies that have already been committed in the first 6 pages. I'm willing to overlook those, because I haven't seen the whole argument yet and they might just be minor issues, b...