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by VladP
Thu May 19, 2011 9:01 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

I think one of the biggest obstacles you'll have to overcome in your thinking is the equating of evil to suffering. I equate evil with doing that which is outside the objective moral standard of a monotheistic deity. Evil doesn't exist. It's simply a deviation from what is considered to be right. W...
by VladP
Thu May 19, 2011 6:24 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

Rich Deem apparently answered my "miracles" proposal in the original article. For some reason I missed it/forgot about it. This is a mere secondary problem, still. Your argument grows stronger that it's impossible to create a world without natural evil, but not impossible (*yet*). The issu...
by VladP
Thu May 19, 2011 5:56 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

@VLAD You have posted a lot in a few takes, my humble suggestion would be to post at max one two arguments in a single post, it helps understanding what you are trying to say and what you expect us to answer. But please, can someone still explain to me how to fit this into a paradigm where it is in...
by VladP
Wed May 18, 2011 8:18 pm
Forum: General Discussion & Introductions
Topic: Before Monotheism
Replies: 11
Views: 3083

Re: Before Monotheism

Wilhelm Schmidt has evidence that many tribal societies used to have beliefs similar to monotheism. Creation Ministries International has an article on this: http://creation.com/wilhelm-schmidt-and-the-origin-of-religion Creationism.org provides an argument as well, though not as strong: http://www....
by VladP
Wed May 18, 2011 7:34 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

Which leads me to another point here. Another solution from certain Christians that addresses this is the Fall of Man and the associated decay of the world. Even there though, it's a problem for me to understand how God punishes everyone for the sins of Adam and Eve. I find it hard to comprehend wh...
by VladP
Wed May 18, 2011 6:57 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

I want people to understand. I didn't come here to disprove God. I came here because I seek clarification. Please do not approach this with the intent to "debunk" me, or whatever. I came here for HELP. If you truly think I am wrong (and I'll be honest, I do wish I was), then help me. That'...
by VladP
Wed May 18, 2011 5:20 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

The point you missed is that the universe was designed to choose between good and evil. Without the possibility of evil, no choice is possible. Because evil choices are possible, the laws of the universe must restrict the actions of free moral agents. Practically speaking, this means that the unive...
by VladP
Wed May 18, 2011 4:57 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

Oh my, more mistakes. I said "I feel as though my mind is tiring and I do admit I made a blunder there in how I presented the concepts. No, it would be hard to have objective morals without God, no one's saying that it's easy." I meant objective morals without God REVEALING himself. "...
by VladP
Wed May 18, 2011 4:50 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

I want to correct myself in the last paragraph. When I mentioned conscience, I unfortunately went ahead with the assumption that natural evil can be explained away. A large part of the last paragraph was devoted to explaining that it it somewhat reasonable to conclude that there can be objective mor...
by VladP
Wed May 18, 2011 4:20 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Re: Natural Evil

I disagree with various reasoning you have provided. For example, that God is bound by the same rules as us otherwise He would be hypocritical. God is not us, but rather God is sovereign. To drive this point home via analogy, what you are saying is on par with me saying, "you're a hypocrite fo...
by VladP
Tue May 17, 2011 2:02 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Natural Evil
Replies: 20
Views: 6345

Natural Evil

This message was originally sent to Rich Deem. I copy and pasted it here for further discussion with all who wish to add their perspective: "Hello, I would like to offer a response to your article that deals with natural evil, entitled 'Where is God When Bad Things Happen? Why Natural Evil Must...