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by Amalric
Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:28 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

I would be interesting in see any Bible passages that support your belief that our souls sleep while our spirits return to God Ecclesiastes 12:7 New American Standard Bible (©1995) then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. As for the soul "...
by Amalric
Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:36 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Genesis 9:3 vs Genesis 7:2
Replies: 3
Views: 1529

Re: Genesis 9:3 vs Genesis 7:2

If we accept the four source theory to how the first five books of the Bible were created then the unclean animal addition in Genesis 7:2 can be seen as part of the editorial work of the Priestly writer. The Priestly writer was interested in ritual purity and the idea of clean and unclean animals wo...
by Amalric
Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:07 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

Our souls sleep, yes, but our spirits return to God. Our spirits return to God is biblical, both OT AND NT. At the last day, at judgment, our bodies are resurrected, our spirit returns and we once again become living souls. Yes, I agree that our bodies will be like the angels, Just as Christ said. ...
by Amalric
Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:18 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

You said: I am not sure I am saying that a spiritual body is disembodied. I am just saying it isn’t flesh and bone. If it is not flesh and bone like Christ's was, then what was it if NOT disembodied which means: 1. lacking a body or freed from the body; incorporeal 2. lacking in substance, solidity...
by Amalric
Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:38 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

I believe that my view of Paul’s view of Jesus’ resurrection and the general resurrection are consistent. I am not convinced Paul believed there was any physical side to the resurrected body (1 Cor 15). There is nothing in 1Cor 15 that indicates a disemboded spiritual being, Paul simply states the ...
by Amalric
Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:26 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

I think you are under the mistaken impression that I am trying to convince you, I am NOT. I am expressing an opinion, as you are my friend. No convincing needed :) As for Paul's view, there is nothing to indicate that Paul was describing the physical qualitites of the resurrected BODY. It seems to ...
by Amalric
Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:31 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

The traditional view that the gospel of Matthew was written by a disciple of Jesus is widely discredited because of the evidence of the Greek text. I would be interested if any New Testament scholar is still supporting the view that Matthew was written by a disciple. Please tell me were you got thi...
by Amalric
Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:50 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: OT trust-worthyness?
Replies: 16
Views: 4871

Re: OT trust-worthyness?

I'm sure you'll love this as well Recently, the tradition that Kohanim (the Jewish priesthood) are actually descended from a single patriarch, Aaron, was found to be apparently consistent with genetic testing.[42] The majority of Jewish men with the tradition of being Kohanim, but not all, share a ...
by Amalric
Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:49 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

Paulsacramento has provided no evidence for his belief and that is OK, Evidence for my belief that Jews in 1st century Palestine, when they spoke of the ressurection, meant the BODY being resurected? Is that what you mean? Yes .... It is quite possible that "Q" may have existed, it is als...
by Amalric
Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:55 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

None of that changes the fact that for a jew that believed in the ressurection the view was that of a BODY coming back to life. That body would be changed yes, but still a body and NOT an "immaterial" spirit. ... Q is hypothetical, there is no evidence that it existed. If Mark was the fir...
by Amalric
Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:35 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Not eyewitness
Replies: 54
Views: 14552

Re: Not eyewitness

John Dominic Crossan isn't necessarily loved by conservative Christians, but he had this to say- "That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be, since both Josephus and Tacitus...agree with the Christian accounts on at least that basic fact." I am not sure that Cross...
by Amalric
Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:58 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

Re: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

WLC does plenty of explanation on the death, burial, and empty tomb. He however does his best on time constraints. The death, burial, and empty tomb is historical fact. This is confirmed by Mark contrasted against archalogical evidence from Roman records. The Talmud writings are another source to c...
by Amalric
Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:48 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate
Replies: 21
Views: 6015

William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate

There is an interesting William Craig Lane and Bart Erhman debate on youtube which delves into this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhT4IENSwac I have watched the video of the debate between Bart Ehrman and William Lane Craig. I think Ehrman could have engaged with Craig’s position much better. Cra...
by Amalric
Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:58 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Not eyewitness
Replies: 54
Views: 14552

Re: Not eyewitness

I think you narnia4 have answered Im Fat’s question, How can you guys relly on a book that is based of oral history written 30 years after the man died? We both agree that the Gospels can’t be dismissed as having no historical traditions in them even if we disagree on how much we find there. It is p...
by Amalric
Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:21 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Not eyewitness
Replies: 54
Views: 14552

Re: Not eyewitness

How can you guys relly on a book that is based of oral history written 30 years after the man died? Well we have four Gospels. It wasn't like it was handed down for dozens of generations, it was based off eye witness testimony. I do find it interesting that you're implying a much earlier date than ...