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by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:17 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

You're right, it doesn't fill gaps. It rather sees gaps in evolution, scraps evolution, and replaces everything that evolution says with "Because the designer said so." Basically, this article says: No one knows what ID really is, because it is a movement without a defined purpose and no a...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:53 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

Because science uses evidence and experimentation and observation to draw its conclusions. We can't use God in science because we can't observe him. We can't experiment on him. There is no evidence pointing to it at this point. It's not crazy to say that God must have created science if he created t...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:40 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

It's one thing to take issue with an aspect of evolution, but another to say that the hole can only be explained by God, then pretend your idea is scientific. I don't take issue with the criticism. There clearly are areas of evolution without solid evidence or perfect explanations. But that's why re...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:51 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

I'll get to my religious views another time... Marcus, I appreciate the idea that there are smart people who believe in ID. But, every major university in the world with a biology program does, in fact, work with evolution on a daily basis. Universities like mine that view evolution as the best expl...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:07 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

Zoe: I and all other evolutionary biologists admit that we cannot typically witness macroevolution because of the brief lifespans we have. Did I or anyone else witness the evolution of the flagellum? Of course not. But, unlike ID, we provide a scientifically possible process using the Theory of Evol...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:52 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

cubeus19: Nope. For one, I'm not an atheist (I've said that before). My religious views aren't really "mainstream" so to speak, but I'm not an atheist either. Two, I have no clue what you are talking about as far as some guy bashing the site. I have a youtube account, but I don't do much w...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:55 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

I never said science was determined as fact in the courtroom. I was only pointing to a notable instance where irreducible complexity was presented, experts in biology debunked the argument, and the ID proponents who presented it (Michael Behe) had no answer. I would watch the video if you want the m...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:53 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

It's not necessarily true that natural selection is "thinking" about it...that would imply that natural selection is a designer (hehe...). The video I posted earlier goes into the explanation of the flagellum quite well. To summarize, in semi-technical terms: We begin with a basic protein ...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:32 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

I'll admit the engine wasn't a perfect example (it was 3 AM haha) but my point is still there. Behe has presented 3 big examples of irreducible complexity as arguments for ID. The flagellum has been dealt with in court and in scientific journals. There is a clear, traceable pathway that each protein...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:19 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

I honestly have no clue about his standing at Lehigh University...I mean, if he was denied tenure solely for his religious belief, then yeah, that would be awful. but isn't Lehigh a religious institution? I might be wrong on that, but that seems somewhat unlikely if he works at a school that advocat...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:32 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

Well, as a biology (specifically biochemistry and genetics) student at a major university here in the US, I disagree with your point. We did learn a ton about ID when discussing evolution in the required "Foundations of Biology" course for biology majors. The biggest points against ID that...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:48 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

Re: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

The problem with arguing that macroevolution and homology and so on are "thought experiments" is not really accurate. We can actually test and experiment on the methods and processes by which macroevolution take place. No, we cannot actually see macroevolution, but we can demonstrate that ...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:26 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: ID/Evolution and Michael Behe
Replies: 106
Views: 24505

ID/Evolution and Michael Behe

This is kind of a pick up of a discussion started on another thread that got off topic, but was still interesting. The beginning of the conversation can be found on the first page of the "My dad's argument and my sister's stress?" thread started by Dallas. Basically it was a discussion on ...
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:57 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: My Dad's Argument and My Sister's Stress?
Replies: 15
Views: 3880

Re: My Dad's Argument and My Sister's Stress?

I agree I don't want to go too far away, but to clean up...I'll start a new thread now for this discussion.
by Ivellious
Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:38 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: New hybrid shark found
Replies: 29
Views: 6679

Re: New hybrid shark found

More or less it's highly uncommon for it to work as well as this instance I guess. Personally I agree with you, this article seems to kind of blow it out of proportion, as it probably only really matters to people who study sharks haha. But that's what Yahoo editors and writers get paid to do I supp...