Evidence for God from Science

We don't even need to discuss the origin of DNA nor the cell nor even life to discuss the origin of the flagellum. I'll give you that for the sake of this discussion, however you can't start with a flagellum either. I'm also going to hold that the other issues are related so while I'll grant that f...

BeGood, Nowhere in your sources does it say anything about proteins assemblying themselves. It talks about the assembly occurring within the cell but it shows the rest of the cell as being an integral part of that process. Just out of curiosity, do you read your sources before you post links to them...

This is a pretty reasonable refutation of your statements above. An isolated protein is active in solution. As the concentration of urea increases, the protein loses some of its three-dimensional structure and no longer functions. As the urea is removed, the structure and function return. [Again, y...

I think we are all posting at the same time! I think I see a major source of confusion. Bgood and his sources are using the term "self-assembly" to refer to the conformation (secondary, tertiary, and quaternary structure) of the protein developing after it has been produced, that is the co...

Sandy, 1) I still don't see how molecular self-assembly "invariably" leads to crystalline forms, and what the strong interactions in a simple salt like NaCl have to do with protein folding. Think about it in terms of me giving you two buckets of compounds. Call compound one 'A' and compoun...

BeGood, I'll deal with your last post specifically.. What is your problem with this statement? We have a detailed account of how the flagellum forms. The proteins do self assemble when they are present together. Do you disagree? If you do then how does the flagellum assemble? My goodness, so what is...

Sandy, Here's a reference, undoubtedly not the most recent, to a scientific view: Title: Self-assembly and type III protein export of the bacterial flagellum Author(s): Minamino T, Namba K Source: JOURNAL OF MOLECULAR MICROBIOLOGY AND BIOTECHNOLOGY 7 (1-2): 5-17 2004 Document Type: Article Language:...

BeGood, I must have misunderstood your post. I thought you were arguing that flagella are the result of self-assembly. Cells reproduce on their own, this includes bacteria, and this includes bacterial components such as the flagella. Do you disagree? Yes - I do disagree. Flegella do not reproduce. T...

Sandy, It goes deeper than that. BeGood is trying to argue that flagella self-assemble. He's trying to make viruses look like crystals because crystals do self-assemble and while his link does show a crystal-like external appearance for viruses, the similarity is superficial at best. BeGood's first ...

By what do you base this assumption? When you look at the simpler code of viruses they do look like crystals. http://www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/109/structure.html Perhaps you should read your sources before you post links: Matrix Proteins: These are internal virion proteins whose function is effectivel...

Let me clarify my question further... You are implying that we can get new necessary proteins as a product of protein creation. In order for that to be possible, the process of creating proteins has to be capable of making mistakes in sequencing amino acids. That's central to natural selection - rep...

BeGood, If it is a simple method of chemical reaction, then shouldn't the protein strands be repetitous in nature? When I think of a salt crystal for example - something which does form because of chemical attractions - sodium ions (Na+) bond with chloride ions (Cl-) and you get highly ordered patte...

but you shouldn't limit your reading to only anti-evolutionist ideals if you want to learn about evolution (no matter what your intention is). Zenith, You are correct, and I do try to keep an open mind. Maybe the way I learned that evolution was not sound has something to do with my outlook on it. ...

BeGood, Your source seems to say that RNA is necessary for the actual assembly of the proteins. It kind of looks like when transcription occurs, a molecular machine unwinds a section of the DNA helix to get the specific instructions needed for the protein being built. Then another machine copies tho...

How are the proteins assembled? Does that process require DNA? I'll buy that neither theory is entirely falsifiable. But I think if you prove enough of either to be incorrect you can start making it look pretty silly. I mean if you proved that one IC machine could self-assemble and all I do is say &...