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- Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:11 pm
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
- Replies: 191
- Views: 54535
Re: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
I just want to bump this thread. When I get lost in the secular comings and goings of my daily routine, I sometimes feel great need for something solid, something convincing to bolster my confidence in God's existence. And then there's this. And it just hits me and leaves me thinking of how simple i...
- Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:57 pm
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Scientists "find" life precursor to life in space
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2107
Re: Scientists "find" life precursor to life in space
I think John would agree very much with this statement in his gospel: "In the beginning there was the Word."KBCid wrote:In the beginning.....
There was information....
- Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:30 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
- Replies: 191
- Views: 54535
Re: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
If intelligent design = intelligence + design, could you elaborate a little on the distinction between the two? Is it possible to identify intelligence which does not design or a design which is not intelligent? and where does consciousness fit in.... I'm sure other members of this board could elab...
- Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:59 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
- Replies: 191
- Views: 54535
Re: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
Do you see the problem Neige? I think Proinsias' main problem, though, is that he hasn't fully understood the concept of ID. Yes, biology seems pretty natural to me. I'm more than open to evidence otherwise, I see none. Again, no one here has asserted that biology is supernatural. I'd be keen to se...
- Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:57 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
- Replies: 191
- Views: 54535
Re: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
I don't see it as an either/or situation between intelligent design and blind natural forces. In my view humans are natural, just as rocks are. Humans are part of nature, sure, but unlike a piece of rock, animals (and to some degree plants) show signs of intelligence. I think we can all agree to th...
- Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:14 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
- Replies: 191
- Views: 54535
Re: Biology of life and 3D spatial positioning
The idea of looking at something and inferring intelligent agency is an alien concept I can't get my head around, as I'm sure you've gathered by now. But it's so simple... Most of the things around us are formed either by blind natural forces or intelligent beings (most notably humans). If you can'...
- Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:16 pm
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
Okay. So non-spatial, timeless beings are not supernatural but natural. Great! God is natural. Congrats, you're now a theist. :mrgreen: Seriously though, who in the world argues that God is not a supernatural entity??? To me it's amazing we're having this discussion at all... Alright, for the sake o...
- Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:20 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
Well, I'm simply telling you what any non-creationist scientist would say - Universe is the sum of all natural things. Only that which is understood as supernatural can even hypothetically exist "outside". I thought you agreed with mainstream science? What is your definition of "natur...
- Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:58 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
If something indeed exists "outside" spacetime, it can only be something nonspatial, nonmaterial and nontemporal (remember: no space, no time). Whatever it is, it's the direct opposite of natural. How do you know that? Now really... How do I know that? Pretty much all naturalist astrophys...
- Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:35 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
There is no answer to that question, because natural things themselves only exist within spacetime Well, this is somehow unproven. First you would have to find a 'place' where spacetime doesn't exist and 'place' a natural thing/being there. LOL, I can't believe you're arguing this point. You can't ...
- Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:34 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
Of course God is a mystery... but why would God be the only logical explanation? That I don't see. Because there is nothing natural that could have caused the natural world to exist. At the very least, it has to be something supernatural. Don't call it God. Call it the Infinite Source, the Uncaused...
- Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:46 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
I cannot tell you what could have caused something supernatural to exist, since all my knowledge is confined by natural limitations Have you tried expanding your knowledge beyond your natural abilities and failed? Are you implying it's possible to explain the unexplainable? God to me is a mystery, ...
- Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:22 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
If God is the obvious answer for you, can you tell me how God appeared on the map? I cannot tell you what could have caused something supernatural to exist, since all my knowledge is confined by natural limitations. Supernatural is just what it is - something we cannot explain with the means availa...
- Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:46 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
Scientists might assume that the universe came out of nothing, but can you really prove that? I think most mainstream astronomers subscribe to the quantum fluctuations in the vacuum as the initial kick starter of our universe. That means they don't believe it came out of nothing but rather out of s...
- Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:58 am
- Forum: God and Science
- Topic: Science and Creation
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18604
Re: Science and Creation
Well, it is obvious that nothing is infinite (except for abstract concepts) and that our universe began to exist at one point in history. At least that's what the current scientific consensus is. And I would further point out it's obvious that no matter which theory or hypothesis you choose to belie...