Evidence for God from Science

Hey, Jac -- rather not. :) So then the preacher you cited said that salvation is based on election. You are not elect because you believe, but you believe because you are elect. I would indeed agree. Why do I agree? Because, as I think you agreed with earlier, salvation does not consist solely of el...

Sean 2 wrote The point you make here about OSAS or Calvinism is absolutely correct and is irrefutable! I wanted to clear up the fact that I do belive that once a person is saved that they are secure with God forever. I belive, however, that this security is based upon God's promise to save those wh...

In many cases, yes, a person was never saved if they turn away and never return. Jesus talks about this - and I mention it in my blog. At other times, someone may fall away for a time and then, by the conviction of the Holy Spirit, return. I say these things because I know the Bible teaches them (s...

You can only have a syllogism with three terms, so unfortunately David, you have broken the rules of logic (be thankful there is no punishment for that). :D For a good intro to logic i would suggest Come Let Us Reason By Norman Geisler. I do not wish to sound condescending when I write that, for it...

The reason is that there is a step inbetween 2 and 3 in your syllogism. Instead, it works like this: 1.) All who are saved get saved because of God's elective plan. 2.) No person can know God's elective plan. 3.) When someone IS saved, they CAN understand that they were one of the elect. 4.) When s...

PL stated I'm saved because God chose to save me, not of my works, but so that His purpose according to election might stand. According to this admission, I have constructed the following syllogism 1.All those who are saved are saved because they were included in God's elective plan 2.No person can...

It would seem that there is something lacking with this set of responses. appreciate the concern that you have for my soul. Fortunately for me, my salvation is not in your hands, but in the hands of Him who is able to save to the uttermost. I'm saved because God chose to save me, not of my works, bu...

OK, last post to Sean before I start dealing with the other issues in this thread in detail. I ask that you all please be patient, because it will take a while. First, Sean, thanks for your response. I maintain my view that individual election is what Paul is talking about here, though he also menti...

OK, I think I've decided what to do. Since, if I work on responding to each of your points in this post one at a time, then I'll likely not get through all of them because there will be a half dozen responses to the first one that I'd need to deal with before getting to the second! :) In any case, t...

I was hoping you would provide me with what exactly you wanted to have addressed; that is all. Seeing there are links in your post back to those very things is helpful; God willing, I'll have a few things written in the near future.

Thanks again for the welcome.

Hiya, Sean. Good to make your acquaintance in this virtual world. I think Paul is making a simple point. After finishing a great chapter in Romans 8, Paul feels the need to explain how it is that Jews can be of the "Chosen" race, yet not all be chosen. He does so by showing that the first ...

So, if you want to contribute to the Calvinist argument, I'd really be interested in seeing your take on the fifteen or so arguments that have been put forward against it thus far, all of which have been based on thorough explanations of Scripture. I'm certainly not a perfect exegete, but I'll be h...

August gave me the head's up about this particular thread. Very interesting indeed, though often (but not always) the posts made here have not included meaningful exegesis, which would settle most of this argument. There is a host of resources out there that explain a lot of it; I would refer people...