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Proinsias · Post by **Proinsias** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:25 pm

Hi and welcome Johnny.

Where in the world are you?

Johnny916 · Post by **Johnny916** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:28 pm

Thanks! I'm from Sacramento, Cal.

Gman · Post by **Gman** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:32 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:I totally agree Gman, as a person with Jewsish heratige myself i know how anti-Semetic some Christains can be and in no way was i trying to be anti-semetic.

Oh sorry about that.. That's funny because both my great grandparents on both sides of my family were Jews too. I even got the nose to prove it. LOL

Danieltwotwenty wrote:I just worry that they are making a huge mistake by rejecting Jesus, but as fellow believers in God the Father i will stand by their side as i would do the same for a Christain.

Yes.. We need to give it time however.. Christianity in my book is actually Judaism. Yeshua (Jesus) and all the disciples were Jews. ALL of them to the core... Unfortunately when the gentiles got a hold of it they corrupted much of it with their pagan religion.

What I mean to say is that we have 2 thousand years of corruption to unwind. Therefore I really don't blame Jews for not identifying with it from the get go.. In fact I wouldn't know where to start except with an apology and forgiveness..

Gman · Post by **Gman** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:38 pm

Johnny916 wrote:Why do you guys support the state of Israel? I'm a Jew against Zionism. Yes, I know I would have to mention some time are another. As I mentioned before I'm very in-tune with my faith. Therefore I'm influenced by Jews who disagree with Zionism.

Not all of us are Zionists here.. But I'm a Christian Zionist. Why? Because we identify with the state of Israel our future and present homeland. In fact I would argue that much of scripture calls us to support Israel even if we aren't Jews..

Johnny916 · Post by **Johnny916** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:41 pm

Gman wrote:
Johnny916 wrote:Why do you guys support the state of Israel? I'm a Jew against Zionism. Yes, I know I would have to mention some time are another. As I mentioned before I'm very in-tune with my faith. Therefore I'm influenced by Jews who disagree with Zionism.
Not all of us are Zionists here.. But I'm a Christian Zionist. Why? Because we identify with the state of Israel our future and present homeland. In fact I would argue that much of scripture calls us to support Israel even if we aren't Jews..

Well, it is fun to debate. Have you ever visited this website before http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/? Agree or disagree; this is one of the sites that shapes my views on Zionism and why I should not support Zionism.

Gman · Post by **Gman** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:45 pm

Johnny916 wrote:
Gman wrote:
Johnny916 wrote:Why do you guys support the state of Israel? I'm a Jew against Zionism. Yes, I know I would have to mention some time are another. As I mentioned before I'm very in-tune with my faith. Therefore I'm influenced by Jews who disagree with Zionism.
Not all of us are Zionists here.. But I'm a Christian Zionist. Why? Because we identify with the state of Israel our future and present homeland. In fact I would argue that much of scripture calls us to support Israel even if we aren't Jews..
Well, it is fun to debate. Have you ever visited this website before http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/? Agree or disagree; this is one of the sites that shapes my views on Zionism and why I should not support Zionism.

Oh yes.. I'm well aware that not all Jews support Zionism. Many Jews call for Israel's destruction in fact.

I identify with Israel because I believe the Abrahamic land covenants are in full effect. Even today.

Gman · Post by **Gman** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:47 pm

Sorry.. I didn't answer your question. I would disagree with your website.

Johnny916 · Post by **Johnny916** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:48 pm

Well give it a browse if you can.

Gman · Post by **Gman** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:55 pm

Johnny916 wrote:Well give it a browse if you can.

Will do but I'm pretty firm in my beliefs. I believe in the Jewish state.. With a full heart. I don't think that Zionism is a problem at all... It's a spiritual issue. Jews will be forever hunted down and killed even without a Zionist state. History has proven that..

Danieltwotwenty · Post by **Danieltwotwenty** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:56 pm

Gman wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:I totally agree Gman, as a person with Jewsish heratige myself i know how anti-Semetic some Christains can be and in no way was i trying to be anti-semetic.
Oh sorry about that.. That's funny because both my great grandparents on both sides of my family were Jews too. I even got the nose to prove it. LOL

Danieltwotwenty wrote:I just worry that they are making a huge mistake by rejecting Jesus, but as fellow believers in God the Father i will stand by their side as i would do the same for a Christain.
Yes.. We need to give it time however.. Christianity in my book is actually Judaism. Yeshua (Jesus) and all the disciples were Jews. ALL of them to the core... Unfortunately when the gentiles got a hold of it they corrupted much of it with their pagan religion.

What I mean to say is that we have 2 thousand years of corruption to unwind. Therefore I really don't blame Jews for not identifying with it from the get go.. In fact I wouldn't know where to start except with an apology and forgiveness..

Bwahaha, yes i have the nose to prove it too, at scholl i had nicknames like Gonzo, snoz, snozton ( a play on words with my last name ), and many others but i took it all with good humor.

Johnny916 · Post by **Johnny916** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:57 pm

I understand. I'm influenced from the Messiah concept that the Messiah will lead the Jews back to the holy land.

Johnny916 · Post by **Johnny916** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:58 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Gman wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:I totally agree Gman, as a person with Jewsish heratige myself i know how anti-Semetic some Christains can be and in no way was i trying to be anti-semetic.
Oh sorry about that.. That's funny because both my great grandparents on both sides of my family were Jews too. I even got the nose to prove it. LOL

Danieltwotwenty wrote:I just worry that they are making a huge mistake by rejecting Jesus, but as fellow believers in God the Father i will stand by their side as i would do the same for a Christain.
Yes.. We need to give it time however.. Christianity in my book is actually Judaism. Yeshua (Jesus) and all the disciples were Jews. ALL of them to the core... Unfortunately when the gentiles got a hold of it they corrupted much of it with their pagan religion.

What I mean to say is that we have 2 thousand years of corruption to unwind. Therefore I really don't blame Jews for not identifying with it from the get go.. In fact I wouldn't know where to start except with an apology and forgiveness..
Bwahaha, yes i have the nose to prove it too, at scholl i had nicknames like Gonzo, snoz, snozton ( a play on words with my last name ), and many others but i took it all with good humor.

It must run in the family. I have a long and crooked nose too. My mother, and youngest sister and I have long noses.

Danieltwotwenty · Post by **Danieltwotwenty** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:59 pm

Gman wrote:
Johnny916 wrote:Well give it a browse if you can.
Will do but I'm pretty firm in my beliefs. I believe in the Jewish state.. With a full heart. I don't think that Zionism is a problem at all... It's a spiritual issue. Jews will be forever hunted down and killed even without a Zionist state. History has proven that..

And this is where i have found Christains to be anti-semetic ( not saying what you said is Gman ), they take the persecution of the Jews to mean that this is God's punishment on them which is incorrect.
I believe the persecution of the Jew's is the work of Satan, he wants to destroy God's people.

Gman · Post by **Gman** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:01 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Bwahaha, yes i have the nose to prove it too, at scholl i had nicknames like Gonzo, snoz, snozton ( a play on words with my last name ), and many others but i took it all with good humor.

I was always called birdman.. Or eagle beak.

Gman · Post by **Gman** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:03 pm

Johnny916 wrote:I understand. I'm influenced from the Messiah concept that the Messiah will lead the Jews back to the holy land.

Yes.. Ultimately. How? I'm not really sure except that they are moved in the spirit somehow.

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