Murray,
Apart from wishful thinking, what scriptural support do have for this position? Because there is no traditional view that would support such.
What do you believe?
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jlay
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Re: What do you believe?
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Re: What do you believe?
catholics have purgatory with biblical support, so I found reincarnation to be more logical due to alot of accounts of reliving past experiences ect...
Honestly I hate having to talk with you guys constantly about this.
I'll re-think it, I'll pray about it, and maybe i'll change my mind, no more on this back to topic.
Honestly I hate having to talk with you guys constantly about this.
I'll re-think it, I'll pray about it, and maybe i'll change my mind, no more on this back to topic.
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Re: What do you believe?
FYI, purgatory is NOT a second chance. You die once and then judgment.Murray wrote:catholics have purgatory with biblical support, so I found reincarnation to be more logical due to alot of accounts of reliving past experiences ect...
Honestly I hate having to talk with you guys constantly about this.
I'll re-think it, I'll pray about it, and maybe i'll change my mind, no more on this back to topic.
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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FYI reincarnation is not a second chance either, it is giving a CHANCE they never had. Like giving a amazionian tribesman a CHANCE to accept christ.
They never had a first chance so they cannot have a second.......
Get off the topic of reincarnation please..... It's not going to concince me, let me convince myself of it.......
Sooo very few people IMO will be reincarned in this time, because sooo many have exposure to the message of christ and reject it.
Let me make that clear, if you reject jesus, you will not be reincarnated....
They never had a first chance so they cannot have a second.......
Get off the topic of reincarnation please..... It's not going to concince me, let me convince myself of it.......
Sooo very few people IMO will be reincarned in this time, because sooo many have exposure to the message of christ and reject it.
Let me make that clear, if you reject jesus, you will not be reincarnated....
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Re: What do you believe?
You may be right. When I was in my 20s and knew everything, a dark-skinned woman with a curtain rolled around her head told me that I was the reincarnation of a guard in Amenhotep II's royal court. At first I laughed it off but now I have second thoughts.Murray wrote:FYI reincarnation is not a second chance either, it is giving a CHANCE they never had. Like giving a amazionian tribesman a CHANCE to accept christ.
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
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Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:You may be right. When I was in my 20s and knew everything, a dark-skinned woman with a curtain rolled around her head told me that I was the reincarnation of a guard in Amenhotep II's royal court. At first I laughed it off but now I have second thoughts.Murray wrote:FYI reincarnation is not a second chance either, it is giving a CHANCE they never had. Like giving a amazionian tribesman a CHANCE to accept christ.
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Is that a joke?
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Re: What do you believe?
It is true. The woman was from Benin - or Togo - and was a soothsayer, a witch, or something like that. Anyway, I'm baaaack!Murray wrote:Is that a joke?
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If they had a social gospel in the days of the prodigal son, somebody would have given him a bed and a sandwich and he never would have gone home.
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Re: What do you believe?
Jlay, I checked, and it doesn't show any post by you was deleted. Unless the higher ups can delete without me seeing.jlay wrote:Did a moderator delete my post on here?
Those who hold the view of purgatory believe it is for the saved, not the reprobate.
If someone knowingly rejects Christ, they are condemned and will go to Hell.
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18
Murray, you need to repent of your view on reincarnation.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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jlay if someone clicks post near the same time as you it sometimes actually does not post.
I've had this happen to me at least 5 times here
I've had this happen to me at least 5 times here
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Yes, you''ll have to hit submit again for it to actually post.Murray wrote:jlay if someone clicks post near the same time as you it sometimes actually does not post.
I've had this happen to me at least 5 times here
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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The last question I asked you didn't relate to purgatory. Byblos answered that.Murray wrote:catholics have purgatory with biblical support, so I found reincarnation to be more logical due to alot of accounts of reliving past experiences ect...
What's to pray about? You just said, "I found" reincarnation to be more logical. Please provide a syllogism of this logic. How is it logical to have to reject scripture, and rely on contradictory views? What mode of logic are you working within? Please provide any scriptural exegesis that would lead to such a belief. If you have any foundation for this belief, other than imagination, provide it, or take some counsel, and abandon it.
-“The Bible treated allegorically becomes putty in the hands of the exegete.” John Walvoord
"I'm not saying scientists don't overstate their results. They do. And it's understandable, too...If you spend years working toward a certain goal and make no progress, of course you are going to spin your results in a positive light." Ivellious
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Re: What do you believe?
Jlay, I could argue with you about this all day,however your not changing my mind, drop it.
How do you ignore meaning in "get off the subject"
How do you ignore meaning in "get off the subject"
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Re: What do you believe?
Murray, if you don't want to engage in conversion you're not obligated to do so but you can't stop others from commenting on what you wrote.Murray wrote:Jlay, I could argue with you about this all day,however your not changing my mind, drop it.
How do you ignore meaning in "get off the subject"
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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Re: What do you believe?
I can ask them to stop talking about it however..... which I just did
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To which I responded no you may not. People are free to comment on anything they deem of value. If you do not like what they have to say you can either respond or you can ignore it. What you CANNOT do is tell them to stop.Murray wrote:I can ask them to stop talking about it however..... which I just did
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.