If you believe in predestination then God always knew he would create you - this kind of thinking makes all of it quite unimportant.CeT-To on Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:21 pm
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
CeT-To wrote:
The question of the topic is pretty interesting it got me thinking if God is ever knowing from the timeless eternity does that mean that our personalities were in his mind from everlasting to everlasting?
I my opinion yes.
Mmm seems so though God freely chose to create us - so it could be the case that God had other personalities in mind which he will never actualise into existence, don't you think so?
Mind boggling.
Can God Ever Have An Original Thought?
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It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
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Re: Can God Ever Have An Original Thought?
Depends on where your perspective lies, i am inside time and am moving forward in time making the choices i do progressivly so from my perspective nothing is determined.If you believe in predestination then God always knew he would create you - this kind of thinking makes all of it quite unimportant.
God is outside time and is all knowing, from his perspective it is determined.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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Is God restrained by his own choices?Danieltwotwenty » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:42 pm
If you believe in predestination then God always knew he would create you - this kind of thinking makes all of it quite unimportant.
Depends on where your perspective lies, i am inside time and am moving forward in time making the choices i do progressivly so from my perspective nothing is determined.
God is outside time and is all knowing, from his perspective it is determined.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
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Re: Can God Ever Have An Original Thought?
God IS and Was and Will be....... there was never any choice it just was........... or was it?Is God restrained by his own choices?
Does God make choices or does he just do?
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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Re: Can God Ever Have An Original Thought?
I still think its staggering that we were chosen from eternity or as long as God has been in existence to come to an eternal unimaginable relationship with God. LOL sounds pretty important to me hahaha.neo-x wrote:If you believe in predestination then God always knew he would create you - this kind of thinking makes all of it quite unimportant.CeT-To on Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:21 pm
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
CeT-To wrote:
The question of the topic is pretty interesting it got me thinking if God is ever knowing from the timeless eternity does that mean that our personalities were in his mind from everlasting to everlasting?
I my opinion yes.
Mmm seems so though God freely chose to create us - so it could be the case that God had other personalities in mind which he will never actualise into existence, don't you think so?
Mind boggling.
Well he makes choices but his choices have been acknowledged and chosen from His timeless state, they have been his choices as long as He has existed. Lol really hard to wrap my mind around it...Danieltwotwenty wrote:God IS and Was and Will be....... there was never any choice it just was........... or was it?Is God restrained by his own choices?
Does God make choices or does he just do?
Lol isn't saying -
Like saying isn't God restrained by his own free will ? Because by saying choices - by definition choices are made from free will .Is God restrained by his own choices?
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I wish there was a brain explosion emoticon.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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Re: Can God Ever Have An Original Thought?
Choice and predestination doesn't go hand in hand, Dan. If God had choices, he had them from forever and I think you would certainly agree with me that if he wished, he could change them at his will.I wish there was a brain explosion emoticon.
But when we peruse the line of thinking about predestination (please note we are not talking about omniscience here), that something was going to happen because God willed it to happen, God wants it to happen. Then, can God change it, once he made it?
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
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Re: Can God Ever Have An Original Thought?
Hmm God's choices would be made from knowing what the best way to to carry out His will. So now i guess his will is in question of whether it was a choice and im not sure about this since because God is the Greatest Good or 'the Good' or the greatest conceivable being/ greatest possible being logically - then his will would naturally be for all creation to come to Him, why? because that would be the greatest good for the created beings. So... then.. wouldn't it logically follow that His will stems from 'the Good' that is his character and nature.... meaning just as 'the Good' which is comprised of love, mercy and justice have been in God's mind from everlasting to everlasting and not created by God likewise wouldn't it be the same case of the choices he has made?
erhhh
Lol help! Is this reasoning right?
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Lol help! Is this reasoning right?
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NEO LOL YOUR 666TH POST!!!neo-x wrote:Choice and predestination doesn't go hand in hand, Dan. If God had choices, he had them from forever and I think you would certainly agree with me that if he wished, he could change them at his will.I wish there was a brain explosion emoticon.
But when we peruse the line of thinking about predestination (please note we are not talking about omniscience here), that something was going to happen because God willed it to happen, God wants it to happen. Then, can God change it, once he made it?
But joy and happiness in you to all who seek you! Let them ceaselessly cry,"Great is Yahweh" who love your saving power. Psalm 40:16
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Lol...I missed it, in all the predestiniation thing....arrrgh wanted to see itCeT-To on Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:18 pm
neo-x wrote:
I wish there was a brain explosion emoticon.
Choice and predestination doesn't go hand in hand, Dan. If God had choices, he had them from forever and I think you would certainly agree with me that if he wished, he could change them at his will.
But when we peruse the line of thinking about predestination (please note we are not talking about omniscience here), that something was going to happen because God willed it to happen, God wants it to happen. Then, can God change it, once he made it?
NEO LOL YOUR 666TH POST!!!
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
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Re: Can God Ever Have An Original Thought?
Our brains must compute data differently, as i can reconcile them easily in my mind.Choice and predestination doesn't go hand in hand
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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yeah, I lost you here, as wellmeaning just as 'the Good' which is comprised of love, mercy and justice have been in God's mind from everlasting to everlasting and not created by God likewise wouldn't it be the same case of the choices he has made?
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
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Dan, I am not talking about our choices. Predestination's line of thinking is, if God willed something to happen, it will happen, regardless of choice, as a matter of fact in our case, if God willed it, it will happen, you can say good bye to your choice.Danieltwotwenty on Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:24 pm
Choice and predestination doesn't go hand in hand
Our brains must compute data differently, as i can reconcile them easily in my mind.
See my point.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
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I guess it is late and i got predestination and omniscience confuesded 
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.
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Re: Can God Ever Have An Original Thought?
I don't blame you,Danieltwotwenty on Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:28 pm
I guess it is late and i got predestination and omniscience confuesded
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
//johnadavid.wordpress.com