A 125 GeV Higgs?

[1over137]

http://blog.vixra.org/2011/12/02/higgs- ... o-125-gev/

Very exciting times!

[Reactionary]

http://blog.vixra.org/2011/12/02/higgs- ... o-125-gev/

Very exciting times!

No offense, Hana, but I didn't understand a thing.

[RickD]

http://blog.vixra.org/2011/12/02/higgs- ... o-125-gev/

Very exciting times!

Wow! If this is for real, It's nothing short of amazing!!!!!
























Actually, I have no idea what it means, either.

[jlay]

Yes!!!!!!!!


What the bleep is that all about?

[Proinsias]

It means things are going to get interesting and, as usual, the current explanation is not so much an answer as it is loads more questions.

[RickD]

It means things are going to get interesting and, as usual, the current explanation is not so much an answer as it is loads more questions.

Concerning what? Please explain in dummy terms, so I can understand.

[Proinsias]

Rick, I know very little about physics, biology is my love. The article seems to suggest that the current theories will do quite nicely as long as the Higgs were about 140GeV, they weren't. Time for a new theory.

The outcome predicted was not the one observed, the deviation is more than current theories can account for. Time for a new, demonstrable, theory.

[narnia4]

Ok I'm not knowledgeable with physics either. From what I can gather the Higgs boson has been described as the "God particle" in the media (although the wikipedia article on it states that scientists don't like that term because it overstates the importance of the particle)... I've heard a bit about it before. Apparently its a hypothetical particle that needs to exist for the standard model of particle physics to work, but it hasn't been discovered. Now I've read a few articles recently (and referenced on wikipedia) that indicate that the Higgs boson could "possibly" be considered "discoverable"... kind of a funny word choice, possibly discoverable.

So I'm afraid I'm not sure what the consequences of the article in the OP are or might be. But from what I gather there's been what you would kind of expect, controversies over what models work and what don't and what's the best system to use.

Gotquestions article-

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-particle.html

Wikipedia article-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#cite_note-1

So from my post you can clearly see I'm not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, but I don't see any theological implications one way or the other on this one.

[La Volpe]

Cern is now convinced they WILL discover it.

[1over137]

Gotquestions article-http://www.gotquestions.org/God-particle.html
Wikipedia article-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#cite_note-1

There is also another thing which the Higgs boson particle takes care of in the Standard Model (the current theory). The so-called Higgs mechanism (mechanism giving mass to particles) renders the Standard Model renormalizable. If a quantum field theory is non-renormalizable, then it gives infite results, a nonsense. But thanks to the Higss boson the standar Model is renormalizable.

Standard Model cannot be the ultimite theory, since it e.g. does not include gravitation. We know for sure that it breaks down at the Planck scale (10^19 GeV) because there the gravitation is so strong that it cannot be neglected. But the Standard Model can break down even at lower scale when the mass of the Higgs boson is below 130 GeV. At which scale it
breaks down, strongly depends on the mass of the Higgs boson (also on the mass of the top quark).

Supersymmetry predicts the mass of the Higgs boson to be below 135 GeV. Well, more precisely, there are two Higgs bosons in supersymmetry giving mass to other particles. And the lighter one of the two is predicted to have mass below 135 GeV. What further Standard Model lacks and supersymmetry explains is the dark matter. Supersymmetry offers a new particle - dark matter candidate, most probably a neutralino.

Well, many people would wonder if the supersymmetry is not realized in nature. It seems that God likes symmetries and one would wonder why He would not used supersymmetry. This reminds me of Albert Einstein - he wondered: “What I am really interested in knowing is whether God could have created the world in a different way."

[1over137]

http://blog.vixra.org/2011/12/13/the-hi ... from-cern/

Conclusion:
"The result is very convincing if you start from the assumption that there should be a Higgs Boson somewhere in the range. Everywhere is ruled out except 115 GeV to 130 GeV and within that window there is a signal with the right strength at around 125 GeV with 3 sigma significance. They will have to wait for that to reach 5 sigma to claim discovery and next years data should be enough to get there or almost."