Why did Jesus have to die?

[Gman]

Guys, in my studies I've come across some new information that has really got me thinking about Christ's death on the cross. It's simply fascinating...

So why did Yeshua (Jesus) have to die?

The answer is actually locked up in the Torah laws.. To put it simply, if we look at Yeshua (Jesus) as a Bride groom and His church being His bride it all falls into place...

How?

According to Deuteronomy 24:1-4 under the marriage contact if the Husband (Christ) finds that his bride has committed fornication, the Husband has the right to divorce her (the Church). However once this happens, the wife CANNOT go back to the original husband since it would be an abomination.

Please read the law..

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

4Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Now in Romans 7:1-6, it pretty much reiterates the same thing but also how the issue is corrected.

1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

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So what is this saying?

In a nutshell, in the original marriage contact if the Husband (Christ) divorced His wife (the Church) because of uncleanliness, and she goes after another man (or god) she CANNOT go back to her original husband under the law of Torah.

So how is it corrected?

Simply put, the original husband (Christ) HAS TO DIE in order to void the original marriage contact. Therefore He comes back as a NEW MAN in order to marry His adulterous wife again...

Isn't that amazing!!!!

[wrain62]

Good observation!

This reminded me of this passage: Matthew 22:23-33.

but the scenario is not the same.

[Canuckster1127]

I've seen that analogy drawn in other places and I think it's as reasonable a way to look at the atonement as any. There are multiple analogies and metaphors within the Bible that describe Christ's atonement or which are extended from OT atonement to Christ in the Bible and also traditions built upon and extended over time in Church history.

The most prevalent in the circles I've been in anyway, is Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) which focuses in particular on those passages that speak of Christ being the substitute for suffering and the wrath of God in place of us. There are others as well such as the Christus Victor which is more prevalent in the Eastern Church and early Patristics etc. All of them have varying levels of merit depending in large part upon who's ascribing merit based on their own traditions and cultures etc.

For some PSA proponents, PSA IS the atonement and no other analogies or metaphors need apply. For most I believe there's at least an attempt to avoid the trap of reading a metaphor and making that metaphor the atonement itself in total.

If anyone's interested, ask and I can point you to some good reading in this arena.

[Gman]

Yes obviously there are different views on it... I believe however, that this simply magnifies the view as it pertains to the marriage contract.. That's about it.

[Canuckster1127]

Yes obviously there are different views on it... I believe however, that this simply magnifies the view as it pertains to the marriage contract.. That's about it.

I wasn't criticizing it. I think you're onto something. When I was 15 and started to read through the Bible completely for the first time in my life, for some reason the verse that stayed in my mind was Isaiah 54:5. I bet that's one you'd like G.

[Gman]

No problem.. I know we can't be too dogmatic when it comes to this stuff... There are many ways to peel an orange.

And thanks for the Israel reference...

Shema Israel.

[B. W.]

...In a nutshell, in the original marriage contact if the Husband (Christ) divorced His wife (the Church) because of uncleanliness, and she goes after another man (or god) she CANNOT go back to her original husband under the law of Torah.

So how is it corrected?

Simply put, the original husband (Christ) HAS TO DIE in order to void the original marriage contact. Therefore He comes back as a NEW MAN in order to marry His adulterous wife again...

Isn't that amazing!!!!

That is the dance of Love - my friend! And what kind of love would do this?

John 3:14-16 - And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 17:26 - And I have declared to them Your name (Character), and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

John 14:9 -Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

One who, when the world comes to condemn and entrap you - stands – waiting not as your executioner…

John 8:1-12 -She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more." 12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.

Who seeing how the crowds keep you bound, unable to move, comes to you…

John 5:1-17 -. 14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you." 15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. 16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."

Heals you…restores you, why?

Mark 5:28-34

For such is the character of the Father shown toward humanity thru Christ, and how did humanity respond to Him – put him on trail, lied about him, mocked, beat, spat upon, scorned, drove nails into his hands and feet upon splintery beams, hung suspended between God and man? And said…

Luke 23:34…"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."

And they divided His garments and cast lots.

Luke 23:34-36 And the people stood looking on. But even the rulers with them sneered, saying, "He saved others; let Him save Himself if He is the Christ, the chosen of God." 36 The soldiers also mocked Him, coming and offering Him sour wine, 37 and saying, "If You are the King of the Jews, save Yourself."

Luke 23:41-43 – Then he said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom." 43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."

A dance of Love..

John 6:44 - No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him...

Are you being drawn???
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[Gman]

Are you being drawn???
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Yes... For the first time in my life this stuff is actually starting to make sense.. I'm starting to understand it now.

I forgot to add.. In Romans 6:4 it states that she or the bride (the Church) has become dead to the law also..

Romans 6:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

So what does this mean?

That BOTH the Husband AND the Wife or bride are now dead.. The old marriage covenant laws are thus void, therefore a NEW MARRIAGE IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE!!!

[Danieltwotwenty]

Very interesting read thanks Gman.

[Gman]

Very interesting read thanks Gman.

Thanks Dan... So now it appears that when Yeshua or Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4, it could also mean it is the way He is talking to HIS CHURCH (Wife)...

John 4

1 Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. 3 So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.

4 Now he had to go through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.

7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)

9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[a])

10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”

16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”

17 “I have no husband,” she replied.

Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”


Amazing folks...