Ron Paul

[neo-x]

First, when does blessing Israel equals to = give her money?
second, are major world problems in place because countries are not blessing Israel, in terms of money? and if blessing Israel goes beyond giving money then you can safely stop the money and pray for them.
If someone does not condone giving money to Israel, is he a anti-Semitic by your standard?
Are all Jews chosen people of God?
Are Jews special just because they are born special?
Does God favors all Jews regardless of their actions?

I am sure you are quite sensitive about the Jewish people but calling someone anti-Semitic because they can question you, is most unfair. Questioning someone is not equal to hating someone. It is really to unfair for anyone to say that.

Bless Israel ...God said bless Israel but he didn't say, those who don't bless Israel will be cursed.

[Murray]

did anyone see the palistinian guy ask the republican canidates about israel yesterday? That guy was looking pretty livid after romney and santorum answered

[Ivellious]

Thank you, neo-x....glad I'm not completely labeled as a Jew-hater on the site yet.

[Gman]

First, when does blessing Israel equals to = give her money?
second, are major world problems in place because countries are not blessing Israel, in terms of money? and if blessing Israel goes beyond giving money then you can safely stop the money and pray for them.
If someone does not condone giving money to Israel, is he a anti-Semitic by your standard?
Are all Jews chosen people of God?
Are Jews special just because they are born special?
Does God favors all Jews regardless of their actions?

I am sure you are quite sensitive about the Jewish people but calling someone anti-Semitic because they can question you, is most unfair. Questioning someone is not equal to hating someone. It is really to unfair for anyone to say that.

Bless Israel ...God said bless Israel but he didn't say, those who don't bless Israel will be cursed.

Calling the state of Israel a corrupt money hungry country has it's root's in antisemitism although it's not entirely anti-Jewish to say such things. So it's a fine line.. As for Jews the Bible tells us that they ARE special to God however because of the promises He made to them thousands of years ago, it also can be also advocated that being Jewish is not a requirement for salvation.

We bless Israel not only by money but also in our prayers, whatever G-d put's on your heart.. G-d is working with the Jewish nation right now, but if you want to go against His workings then be my guest..

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

Bless Israel ...God said bless Israel but he didn't say, those who don't bless Israel will be cursed.

Yes, God did say that those who curse Israel will be cursed. See Genesis 12:3,

''...I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.''

Before you tell me that God was speaking to Abram and that this refers to Abram alone, understand that Ge 12:3 is the Abrahamic Covenant. This Covenant is confirmed to Isaac in Ge 26:2-5, and confirmed again to Jacob in Ge 28:4, 13. This Covenant contains promises about land, and blessings, and offspring. Notice also that the Covenant is confirmed to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; these three are the genitors of Israel.

FL

[RickD]

Bless Israel ...God said bless Israel but he didn't say, those who don't bless Israel will be cursed.

Yes, God did say that those who curse Israel will be cursed. See Genesis 12:3,

''...I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.''

Before you tell me that God was speaking to Abram and that this refers to Abram alone, understand that Ge 12:3 is the Abrahamic Covenant. This Covenant is confirmed to Isaac in Ge 26:2-5, and confirmed again to Jacob in Ge 28:4, 13. This Covenant contains promises about land, and blessings, and offspring. Notice also that the Covenant is confirmed to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; these three are the genitors of Israel.

FL

Aha, FL. neo is correct. The bible says that whoever curses Israel will be cursed. It doesn't say whoever doesn't bless Israel will be cursed. There's a difference. One not blessing Israel, doesn't necessarily equal one cursing Israel.

[Gman]

Bless Israel ...God said bless Israel but he didn't say, those who don't bless Israel will be cursed.

Yes, God did say that those who curse Israel will be cursed. See Genesis 12:3,

''...I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.''

Before you tell me that God was speaking to Abram and that this refers to Abram alone, understand that Ge 12:3 is the Abrahamic Covenant. This Covenant is confirmed to Isaac in Ge 26:2-5, and confirmed again to Jacob in Ge 28:4, 13. This Covenant contains promises about land, and blessings, and offspring. Notice also that the Covenant is confirmed to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; these three are the genitors of Israel.

FL

Aha, FL. neo is correct. The bible says that whoever curses Israel will be cursed. It doesn't say whoever doesn't bless Israel will be cursed. There's a difference. One not blessing Israel, doesn't necessarily equal one cursing Israel.

Well.. Someday you might have to make a choice on that.. Maybe soon..

[wrain62]

Bless Israel ...God said bless Israel but he didn't say, those who don't bless Israel will be cursed.

Yes, God did say that those who curse Israel will be cursed. See Genesis 12:3,

''...I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.''

Before you tell me that God was speaking to Abram and that this refers to Abram alone, understand that Ge 12:3 is the Abrahamic Covenant. This Covenant is confirmed to Isaac in Ge 26:2-5, and confirmed again to Jacob in Ge 28:4, 13. This Covenant contains promises about land, and blessings, and offspring. Notice also that the Covenant is confirmed to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; these three are the genitors of Israel.

FL

Aha, FL. neo is correct. The bible says that whoever curses Israel will be cursed. It doesn't say whoever doesn't bless Israel will be cursed. There's a difference. One not blessing Israel, doesn't necessarily equal one cursing Israel.

Well.. Someday you might have to make a choice on that.. Maybe soon..

I wish the IDF would allow non-Jewish Christians in their ranks.

[RickD]

I wish the IDF would allow non-Jewish Christians in their ranks.

Why, would you sign up?
Edit**what does the International Diabetes Foundation(IDF) have to do with the topic anyways?

[Gman]

I wish the IDF would allow non-Jewish Christians in their ranks.

I believe they already do...

[wrain62]

I believe they already do...

I looked them up but it was not part of the criteria. I would not fight in the Isreal Defense Forces just volunteer. Any other way I can help hands on in a time of need?

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

Aha, FL. neo is correct. The bible says that whoever curses Israel will be cursed. It doesn't say whoever doesn't bless Israel will be cursed. There's a difference. One not blessing Israel, doesn't necessarily equal one cursing Israel.

Ah...yes! You are correct. I must say, you do an admirable job of straining out a gnat.

FL

[RickD]

Aha, FL. neo is correct. The bible says that whoever curses Israel will be cursed. It doesn't say whoever doesn't bless Israel will be cursed. There's a difference. One not blessing Israel, doesn't necessarily equal one cursing Israel.

Ah...yes! You are correct. I must say, you do an admirable job of straining out a gnat.

FL

Thanks FL, I knew you could be logical. I take my "gnat straining" seriously. In all seriousness, I hope you see what I'm saying here. If one doesn't "bless" Israel, then that doesn't necessarily mean one is "cursing" Israel. More to the point of Ron Paul. Paul claims that the US gives at least four times the amount of money to countries that want to destroy Israel, than the US gives to Israel. So, actually, if all foreign aid were to be cut off, Israel would actually be blessed, by the Muslim countries not getting any US aid.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

Paul claims that the US gives at least four times the amount of money to countries that want to destroy Israel, than the US gives to Israel. So, actually, if all foreign aid were to be cut off, Israel would actually be blessed, by the Muslim countries not getting any US aid.

Well...I don't think so. Egypt gets one billion dollars of US aid per year as long as it upholds its cold peace with Israel. If that money were to stop, what would the new Egyptian Parliament - composed of mostly members of the Muslim Brotherhood - do? Do you think they would keep the status quo? I'm not in favor of sending aid to Israel's enemies - which are also the West's enemies - nor am I in favor of cutting aid to Israel. If anything, cut aid to one and sweeten the pot for the other.

Anyway, Ron Paul is toast! What surprises me are Christians who are anti-Israel. The Presbyterian Church USA, Lutherans in the USA, Catholics from Judea & Samaria, Orthodox Christians from Greece and Egypt and Russia, Archbishop Desmond Tutu...the list goes on and on. I can understand atheists and people like Ivellious being anti-Israel, but what's with you and neo-x?

FL

[RickD]

. I can understand atheists and people like Ivellious being anti-Israel, but what's with you and neo-x?

Cmon, FL. That's a misrepresentation of me. Just because I don't cry anti semitism, every time someone questions what Israel, as a nation, does,that doesn't mean I'm anti Israel. I'm just trying to clarify what Ron Paul is saying. I'm new to Ron Paul. I'm learning about where he stands on issues, to see if he'll get my vote. Whether I vote for him, or not, I'm seeing a lot of misrepresentations of him. FL, you gotta understand, a choice between Obama and Romney for president, is really no choice at all, to me. I'm grasping for something here. Maybe Paul is the best candidate for us, maybe not. Time will tell.