The Price to Pay

[kmr]

Here's a concept that we should cover.

Christ died for our sins, correct? He paid the price of our sin with his own blood, and that is the reason it is just for us to accept God's gift and allow ourselves to become "imperishable". Now, here is a question:

Why would people need to be punished for sin?

If Christ paid the price for the whole world and all time, then there should there be no reason to need to punish it? Digging deeper, by accepting Christ, are you allowing the price to be paid for you personally AND accepting his gift of taking away sin? Is it only the latter, if the former has already occurred?


And, along this note, can you accept Christ after your body has died and still receive God's gift? If there is a "hell", be it a holding chamber or a torture chamber, can you still choose God, or are you forced to stay there, even if the price of your sin has been paid?

[Canuckster1127]

There's several traditional ways of looking at this.

Universalim in several different forms says that Christ's atonement is sufficient and will be applied to everyone. Ultimate Reconciliationism (often referred to as UR) as a position includes the belief that all will be continually given opportunities to repent even after death and that those who either haven't heard the message before or who have rejected it (because they misunderstood it) will ultimately be saved.

Calvinism (speaking very generally) believes in Limited or some call is Particular Atonement, meaning that Christ's atonement is sufficient only for those who in fact are elect or pedestined by God to salvation. As such, while man follows up by exercising his will, only God can regenerate a person making him spiritually alive to where he is able or interested to come to God.

Classic Arminianism (again speaking very generally) believes that the atonement of Christ is sufficient for all and that God has provided all that we need in Christ. Some believe that Christ's atonement paid the price for everyone in terms of Adam's imputed original sin and so all that remains for us is to repent and choose to accept Christ for our own sins.

That might help in terms of categorizing some of the questions you ask as to what the systems you suggest fall into.

[Dallas]

When jesus healed the lerpar, he sent him to the priest. To decide if the lepar was healed, they took two doves. Cut one of the heads off on one dove and poured the blood in a bowl. Then took the second dove and dipped it in the blood and set it free.

This is the same when Jesus died on the cross. Blood was shed to set us free. But it's our choice to "Dip" ourselves in the blood instead of the priest.

I love how the old testament law was the same after Jesus died

[Byblos]

When jesus healed the lerpar, he sent him to the priest. To decide if the lepar was healed, they took two doves. Cut one of the heads off on one dove and poured the blood in a bowl. Then took the second dove and dipped it in the blood and set it free.

This is the same when Jesus died on the cross. Blood was shed to set us free. But it's our choice to "Dip" ourselves in the blood instead of the priest.

I love how the old testament law was the same after Jesus died

The old foreshadowed the new and everlasting.