Universal Health Care

[B. W.]

Everyone knows there needs to be Health care reform in the USA. It is an issues – who do you trust?

Obama Care is not about health care. It was written in such a manner as to impose complete governmental control over the citizenry of the USA. It sets in place, legal structures (rules), that later can be built off. It sets forth precepts in which future legislation can build off of. It is a very bad bill, passed, without proper reading, debate, and passed by bypassing the other half of the US Congress, who were shut out of the debate entirely. In other countries, this is how dictatorships do things.

This bill, is not about health care. Evil seduces through promises of liberty and fairness to sucker people into its real trap. The below article makes a case about what this bill is about:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... r-subjects

The bible puts the onus on the Church to take care of those that needed it. In many cases, this is failing and falling by the wayside. He reasons are many. One is governmental intrusion into the realm of 501-3c with new rules and mandates and fostering a drumbeat belief system that only government is the solution. By in large, the church has been forced out of health care. Many of its hospitals have gone under a new name and titles. I found it hard to find the Lutheran Health Care Hospitals these days, is an example of this. Also, The insurance industry needs regulating such as not denying anyone due to preexisting conditions, etc and etc.

Another area that needs reform is the attack on the church by the left implanting in minds of people that to preach the gospel, you must do so for free. Churches do need funds to take care of people. Some do the best with what they have. I was at one in Rapid City a few weeks ago. Do you realize the majority of pastors are broke when they retire and have no system in place to provide for them? Bible says, a workman is worthy of his hire…

If anyone wants to really known what Obama care intends for the entire USA and the desire of the progressive left radicals for the USA, you need not travel far. Please go to the Native American Reservations and see the utopia they have planned for you.

We need health care reform but not the way the left designs it and intends to use it.

What I find, is that many who support Obama care do so from motives explained in James 3:14, 15, 16.c as the basis for their moral justification in implementing such a plan. Take heed.
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[Byblos]

Byblos wrote:

Just last week I called a specialist and made an appointment, saw him this morning, had x-rays done on my heel, found out I had plantar fasciitis, gave me a shot of cortisone and said to come back in a month. If it's not better, we'll schedule surgery within a week or two

Welcome to the wonderful world of plantar fasciitis, Byblos. I've had it for almost 3 months now. The dr. gave me some stretching exercises, and it is slowly getting better. At the rate I'm improving, I should be almost completely better in another month. It's frustrating, because I can't go jogging with my son.

Since I waited so long before I scheduled a dr. appointment,(thought it may get better on its own) I was in serious pain, before i saw the dr. If I had to wait 3 months, under UHC, to see the dr. I may have been bedridden. It hurt that much to walk.

I am a stubborn mule Rick, I've been tolerating this pain for a year now (but that was by choice ). Now I'm to the point it's like stepping on a nail with every single step. Stretching and ice massage at night do help (use a frozen bottle of water on the floor and just roll your foot over it back and forth, it really works). But I have a feeling my case is too far gone not to require surgery. Will see next month.

I miss the gym too, a lot. Between my heel though and the two bad shoulders, there's no way I can work out. Although I saw my endocrinologist this morning and don't you know she found the one exercise that requires no use of feet or shoulders and told me to do it every morning (ab crunches). I almost punched her but it would've been more painful for me.

[RickD]

I am a stubborn mule Rick, I've been tolerating this pain for a year now (but that was by choice ). Now I'm to the point it's like stepping on a nail with every single step. Stretching and ice massage at night do help (use a frozen bottle of water on the floor and just roll your foot over it back and forth, it really works). But I have a feeling my case is too far gone not to require surgery. Will see next month.

I know what you mean. I hardly ever go to the doctor, myself. The pain just got too much, so I had to go. The water bottle exercise helps, as well as the calf stretch. Every morning before I get out of bed, I do a towel stretch, too.

I miss the gym too, a lot. Between my heel though and the two bad shoulders, there's no way I can work out. Although I saw my endocrinologist this morning and don't you know she found the one exercise that requires no use of feet or shoulders and told me to do it every morning (ab crunches). I almost punched her but it would've been more painful for me.

You're falling apart, Byblos.

[Danieltwotwenty]

By the way it is totally free for me to go to the Doctor any time I want and as often as I want, also psychologist and counselling is free too if you are a low income earner.


Dan

[RickD]

By the way it is totally free for me to go to the Doctor any time I want and as often as I want, also psychologist and counselling is free too if you are a low income earner.


Dan

If it is totally free, how does the dr. get paid?

[Byblos]

You're falling apart, Byblos.

I know brother, I know. At least the brain and the memory are still intact. Now where was I?

[RickD]

You're falling apart, Byblos.

I know brother, I know. At least the brain and the memory are still intact. Now where was I?

I don't remember.

[Danieltwotwenty]

By the way it is totally free for me to go to the Doctor any time I want and as often as I want, also psychologist and counselling is free too if you are a low income earner.


Dan

If it is totally free, how does the dr. get paid?

Doctor get's paid by medicare which comes from our taxes.

Dan

[RickD]

By the way it is totally free for me to go to the Doctor any time I want and as often as I want, also psychologist and counselling is free too if you are a low income earner.


Dan

If it is totally free, how does the dr. get paid?

Doctor get's paid by medicare which comes from our taxes.

Dan

So actually, the only people who have free doctor visits, are those who don't pat taxes, correct?

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

So actually, the only people who have free doctor visits, are those who don't pay taxes, correct?

That's how it works in Canada. I'm not a fan of ''Universal Health Care'' as it leads to abuse, underfunding and antiquated technology. The US system is great if you have money but we keep hearing that most Americans either are under insured or have no insurance. (I'm not sure if this is just socialized-medicine propaganda or if it's true, but it makes sense.) The French model is better as it is a mix of public and private funding. The Swiss model is even better because it is private (like the USA) but with compulsory funding through your income taxes, and everybody gets the same quality service; and if you're willing to pay more from your pocket, you'll get a nicer room & more attentive service.

FL

[Danieltwotwenty]

By the way it is totally free for me to go to the Doctor any time I want and as often as I want, also psychologist and counselling is free too if you are a low income earner.


Dan

If it is totally free, how does the dr. get paid?

Doctor get's paid by medicare which comes from our taxes.

Dan

So actually, the only people who have free doctor visits, are those who don't pat taxes, correct?

No incorrect, I work and pay tax and my visits are free.
*edit* are we not to look after the less fortunate, the sick or down trodden etc..?
Dan

[RickD]

No incorrect, I work and pay tax and my visits are free.
*edit* are we not to look after the less fortunate, the sick or down trodden etc..?

Daniel, if you pay taxes that fund Medicare, then, you and everyone else who pays taxes, are paying for your visits, and that makes them "not free". When we pay for our health insurance provided by our employer, and we have an office visit that we don't have to pay for at the time of the visit, that doesn't make the visit free. It's just included in what's paid overall. It's just paid for at another time. Same as taxpayer funded healthcare.

As far as looking after the less fortunate, sick, etc., then yes, as we are led to help others, we should, IMO.

[Ivellious]

I hardly think that paying taxes makes something "not free" in the sense that Daniel is talking about. I'm presuming he means it's not run where you have t pay copays or anything like that when you see a doctor. I mean, by the logic that "taxes mean it's not free" then I guess having roads and k-12 education in America are things that we pay for, but I don't think that's quite the point.

Besides, raised taxes would still mean healthcare is cheaper for practically everybody who pays for health insurance right now.

And, I think someone suggested it might be propaganda to say that lots of people in the US are under-insured/uninsured. If you want proof, you can head to the nearest metropolitan area's homeless shelter and see how many of them can pay for privatized health care. In fact, I'd daresay even if they tried to pay, 90% of them would be turned down by an insurer. That's perhaps the biggest injustice that universal health care systems can remedy; the fact that in America, insurance companies are not required to actually cover all types of medical procedures and reserve the right to turn away anybody who they don't want to insure. That's just messed up, in my opinion.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

head to the nearest metropolitan area's homeless shelter and see how many of them can pay for privatized health care. In fact, I'd daresay even if they tried to pay, 90% of them would be turned down by an insurer. That's perhaps the biggest injustice that universal health care systems can remedy; the fact that in America, insurance companies are not required to actually cover all types of medical procedures and reserve the right to turn away anybody who they don't want to insure. That's just messed up, in my opinion.

Even so, health care is a luxury; it isn't a right. Your country has chosen to not provide public heath care and there are many benefits to your system. These include up-to-date equipment, no long wait times for consultations or surgeries, non-overworked medical personnel, no overpopulation of patients in hospitals, great salaries in the medical field (which attract talent from beyond your borders, further improving your system)...I could go on and on and on.

Any system will have advantages & disadvantages...you have to expect that.

FL

[RickD]

FL wrote:

Even so, health care is a luxury; it isn't a right

I think you hit the nail on the head, FL. Too many people looking for a free ride.