Mitzy wrote:"True. But what about adults who only feel attracted to the same sex? No one "chooses" to feel attracted to anyone. People who are gay or bisexual don't "change their mind" one day and become gay/bi."
Some do most do not I will admit that. With all the research I have done I do not believe that people were born that way. Eventhis site says it is unlikely. If what I said about demonic opression then that explain why people who are gay do not change their minds and become straight. Satan has a hold of them and will not let them go until they find Jesus.
"Coming from a straight person, this is always baffling to me. Do you care to justify this statement at all? It seriously just sounds like total bias and bigotry without cause. I don't care if you think it's a sin, but you can't justify saying that being gay automatically damages a person in any way. What about the multitude of highly successful and happy gay people? What about the straight people who aren't happy and are spiritually/emotionally struggling? This statement is just so wrong it hurts to read it."
How many of them are on anti-depresants? I never said that straight people can't have issues. I have issues but its because of how I was raised and how horrible my family is. That is why I have low self esteem. I am not being biased according to the Bible and my belief in it sexual sins often lead to demonic oppression. I believe that is why the Bible is so strict on sexual sins.
"Most? I'd question that call there if you are referring to sexuality. Sure, teens experiment with lots of things, but I've never heard of someone I know just taking same-sex relationships for a test drive on a whim. The only ones who did? The ones who were and are still legitimately attracted to the same sex. They haven't grown out of it, they didn't start because it was a fad..."
For one most do because it is a fad there was a school around where I live where most of the girls were so called lesbians. I say at least they are not pregnant but you can't tell me that every single one of them was born that way. It is fad it is a way of getting attention and teens thrive on attention good or bad. Also again once engaged in that behavior it becomes an addiction because of the demonic oppression. It is just like any other addiction. I myself and my friends and other people I know have experimented in school it was fun and especially got attention from guys. My cousin when in HS was in a lesbian relationship but that did not last and after that she dated men and the family was accepting of her.
"Homosexuality isn't forced down anyone's throats. To be honest, there aren't more gay teens, they just happen to be growing up in an era with less stigma being placed upon their sexual orientations, one that doesn't think they have a mental disorder if they come out."
Yeah I am sorry I just do not believe that. Yes it is being forced down everyone's throats. If you say it is sin you are hateful and closeminded. I do not care so much about what sexual preferance one has. What I do have a problem is people making false claims that there is proof and it is a fact that people are born that way. I also have a problem with teaching that to kids who when left alone about it would probably grow out of it. A lot of teens have same sex attraction but that doesn't mean they are gay. I used to be attracted to girls why not they are beautiful and sensual and I can still appreciate a good looking woman but that doesn't mean I am going to jump in bed with one now. One I am married and two I do know that God would not want me to do that. I have read and heard on the news how the liberals are trying to indocterinate children about homosexuality. Why not just teach them not to bully anyone for being different. They do not have to tell them that people are born that way when there is no prood. I heard of a first grade teacher taking her class on a field trip to her gay wedding. I hear that another gay teacher said how she talks to her students about gay sex and tells them details about toys and such. I hear about homosexual books in school libraries that have explicit details and pornagraphic images. A child would not even be able to buy a book like that a book store because you have to be 18 to buy certain books. This is what I have a problem with not gay people in general. I think they need Jesus but I am not going to force that on them.
I wouldn't ask you to accept homosexuality, but here's a little advice: If you hate homosexuality and think it's a sin, then don't sleep with someone of the same sex. Stop expecting everyone to believe the same way you do, because like it or not, homosexuality has been around since the dawn of civilization and it isn't going away any time soon. It's not a choice, or a fad, a game, or a result of demonic possession. The Bible doesn't support that at all, you know.Ivellious"
I usually get attacked for defending others by saying just because they believe its a sin doesn't mean they are being hateful. I also have gotten attacked by just saying that I believe people are not born that way and if some chance they are it is an abnormality or imbalance. That is coming from what I read on there own sites. They claim its a hormonal imbalance but when I say it I am hateful. Everything else you said about it not being a choice or fad or a game that is your opinion. I did not say demonic possession I said oppression there is a difference. When we sin we let Satan in and have control over that part of our lives. Now I would not say that on a non Christian site. I do know I can't expect non-Christians to believe what the Bible says is right or wrong.
About the Dr Phil show I saw yesterday gay or not that girl has issues and it did seem like she was trying to blame all of her actions on being gay. That is not an excuse to do drugs and to wreck 3 cars and to be disrespectful to her parents. She was acting like a selfish brat and to get people off her back she says its because I am gay and everyone bought into it. Oh she is gay that poor girl she is so brave. She is a manipulateive brat that knew what to say to get people off her back. I do know teenagers. I was one but I had other excuses I used to get out of trouble. Because my mother was horrible I had my counselor and the asst princible eating out of the palm of my hand. They did not want to have my mother go up there and act like trash so I got away with a lot. I could bring on the tears whenever I wanted. So I was upset that Dr Phil fell for that bs.
While yes, I agree that there are demonic forces at work, (I've noticed ya didn't use "possession" but rather "oppression." Oppression by demonic forces isn't as rare as possession, as far as I know, but I have no statistical proof to back it up.)
If anything, though, here's the thing. Addictions are sometimes psychological, though often they can be physiological. I've read some articles online about certain addictions, and also, I've read a wikipedia article on "Dopamine" once. "Dopamine" is a neurotransmitter that is thought to be involved in learning processes. From the article, I've read that it is involved in providing a sensation of pleasure for various things, and is also partly responsible for hunger (though it doesn't cause pleasure from eating food. A different neurotransmitter does this.)
If anything, sexual stimulation is on the list of things that this neurotransmitter is listed in causing stimulation. If anything, it is possible that this neurotransmitter may be responsible for numerous addictions, including addictions to drugs, alcohol (which can be considered the same thing as drugs, depending on one's interpretation), sex, and so on.
Basically, people get stimulated and their brains become more "wired" to resume such acts. Their conscience may be guilty, but their body keeps craving more, which is one of the reasons addictions can be increasingly harder to give up.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=ca ... jjpJ-e-6ug
This link is on the negative effects of pornography specifically and has a main focus of negative effects on child development, but if anything it does demonstrate a bit on sexual addictions.
As per the discussion on homosexuality, well, if anything, my head still wrestles with some of this as a topic (though if anything, I have no doubt that it is due to saturated self-exposure to the yuri genre of anime, which since I've so far given up on). Even so, I agree with Mitzy here on asserting that homosexuality is a choice. (No one is "born" in such a way. If anything, factors that contribute to any sort of personality or social conditioning depend as much on the environment one grows up in as it does on conditions people are born with. (I have Aspurger's Syndrome and ADHD here. If anything, behavior is able to be influenced by mental "conditions", but granted, the decisive factor is still, in most cases, based on the environment one grows up in.) Culture, social interaction, personal thoughts and feelings, peer pressure, etc...)
If anything, it is a choice, though one partially influenced based on how one is conditioned growing up, as well as the people they grow up with, etc...
As per the "yuri" genre of anime and manga (depending on additional genres in play), it tends to try to portray lesbianism as this cute something of a budding romance, forming of an emotional bond, adapting to these feelings, etc... If anything, though, this can actually be a pretty misleading, but granted, I'm not really an expert on the subject... If anyone here is more familiar with the relationship dynamics of such, please feel free to take over the matter.
But eh, moving on, yeah, things are pretty confusing in this modern time, and yes, some of the things in the media do not help. If anything, those that are anti-homosexuality are often condemned as being haters who shout pejorative words and assault or speak violently toward homosexuals, and are often portrayed as Christians. While yes, there are people who are like this, it is questionable to consider such people are really Christians, and additionally, I can see how one side feeds the fire for the other side. For example, as the so-called "Christian homophobes" that are very violent go about their ways, the homosexuals panic and worry, while others are outraged. In this, homosexuals stereotype all Christians as thinking and behaving in this manner, which raises the temper of the alleged "Christian Homophobes" that are violent, as well as those that are not violent.
Self-perpetuating conflict. It will fall apart when both sides reason with each-other rationally. Unfortunately, that may not be likely.
Granted, I'm not studying psychology, so this is purely speculation.
