True Philosophy says no to Evolution ?

[twinc]

Twinc, I have to ask you, do you disagree with evolution just for humans are for all living beings?

Twinc, can you answer my question please?

it is not a straight forward question to me - so here is the only answer I know or can give "in the beginning,in an instant out of nothing everything that was created was created complete in its whole substance very good = no millions of years of evolution necessary or possible = evolution only possible after Origins or Original creation - man to monkey more likely or plausible - complex to simple and not vice versa and on to entropy - twinc

[RickD]

Twinc, since you said you believe God created everything in an instant, you said here:

"in the beginning,in an instant out of nothing everything that was created was created complete in its whole substance very good

Does this mean you think stars were created as stars, and have always looked like they do now? Would that mean you don't believe that stellar evolution is true?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_evolution

I'm taking what you're saying about everything being created complete, in an instant, to mean that stellar evolution is not possible, in your view. Is that a correct assumption?

[PaulSacramento]

Twinc, I have to ask you, do you disagree with evolution just for humans are for all living beings?

Twinc, can you answer my question please?

it is not a straight forward question to me - so here is the only answer I know or can give "in the beginning,in an instant out of nothing everything that was created was created complete in its whole substance very good = no millions of years of evolution necessary or possible = evolution only possible after Origins or Original creation - man to monkey more likely or plausible - complex to simple and not vice versa and on to entropy - twinc

Well, even Genesis says that things happened over time ( in the case of the literal meaning, 6 days).
How do you account for the vast size of the universe? how stars are so far that it would take light millions of years to get here?
But beyond that, how do you account for the evolution ( changes to adapt to their environment) in viruses?

[twinc]

Twinc, I have to ask you, do you disagree with evolution just for humans are for all living beings?

Twinc, can you answer my question please?

it is not a straight forward question to me - so here is the only answer I know or can give "in the beginning,in an instant out of nothing everything that was created was created complete in its whole substance very good = no millions of years of evolution necessary or possible = evolution only possible after Origins or Original creation - man to monkey more likely or plausible - complex to simple and not vice versa and on to entropy - twinc

Well, even Genesis says that things happened over time ( in the case of the literal meaning, 6 days).
How do you account for the vast size of the universe? how stars are so far that it would take light millions of years to get here?
But beyond that, how do you account for the evolution ( changes to adapt to their environment) in viruses?

no,no,it seems you missed the the word in an 'instant' on each of six days - viruses evolved after the Original evolution which was very good - like death they were not in the original[good]plan - twinc

[PaulSacramento]

Twinc, I have to ask you, do you disagree with evolution just for humans are for all living beings?

Twinc, can you answer my question please?

it is not a straight forward question to me - so here is the only answer I know or can give "in the beginning,in an instant out of nothing everything that was created was created complete in its whole substance very good = no millions of years of evolution necessary or possible = evolution only possible after Origins or Original creation - man to monkey more likely or plausible - complex to simple and not vice versa and on to entropy - twinc

Well, even Genesis says that things happened over time ( in the case of the literal meaning, 6 days).
How do you account for the vast size of the universe? how stars are so far that it would take light millions of years to get here?
But beyond that, how do you account for the evolution ( changes to adapt to their environment) in viruses?

no,no,it seems you missed the the word in an 'instant' on each of six days - viruses evolved after the Original evolution which was very good - like death they were not in the original[good]plan - twinc

So viruses evolve? yes?

[Byblos]

no,no,it seems you missed the the word in an 'instant' on each of six days - viruses evolved after the Original evolution which was very good - like death they were not in the original[good]plan - twinc

Not part of the original plan? So they are what, an oops on God's part?

[RickD]

no,no,it seems you missed the the word in an 'instant' on each of six days - viruses evolved after the Original evolution which was very good - like death they were not in the original[good]plan - twinc

Not part of the original plan? So they are what, an oops on God's part?

Maybe a contingency plan, because God was surprised that Adam sinned?

[PaulSacramento]

I've heard from some creationalists that things like viruses are the result of the fall.
They didn't exist until evil entered the world.
They stay away from claiming that God created them but state they are a natural occurence of the fallen state of the world.
In short, they evolved because the world is evil BUT they never say the word evolved of course.
Some say that God created them to keep humanity in check, a "biological flood" if you will.
Some simply say they don't know why God created them but that He must have had a purpose.

The issue is that viruses have been proven to evolve, they mutate and get stronger to counter antibiotics and such.
So, that they evolve is a fact and if they can why would God not put that ability in Man and the rest of created life?

[twinc]

Danieltwotwenty » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:04 pm

RickD wrote:
My question In all this is, "Why are we still putting up with this?"



Father in heaven please grace us with your peace and understanding, help us to be patient with twinc, convict him with your holy spirit to see his un-Christian like behavior.
In Jesus Christs mighty name amen.

I was serious dude.

why not be truly serious and see where we are at already as regards the original post and question and then where we are heading - if all this is not way out,weird and wacky what is it - come on now be serious - twinc

Dan, I know you were serious, and I appreciate your prayer. It didn't go unnoticed. But, I couldn't help LOLing myself. Probably because of the timing of your post, or perhaps because of my frustration. I certainly didn't mean any disrespect either.

[twinc]

I've heard from some creationalists that things like viruses are the result of the fall.
They didn't exist until evil entered the world.
They stay away from claiming that God created them but state they are a natural occurence of the fallen state of the world.
In short, they evolved because the world is evil BUT they never say the word evolved of course.
Some say that God created them to keep humanity in check, a "biological flood" if you will.
Some simply say they don't know why God created them but that He must have had a purpose.

The issue is that viruses have been proven to evolve, they mutate and get stronger to counter antibiotics and such.
So, that they evolve is a fact and if they can why would God not put that ability in Man and the rest of created life?

how do you know they evolve - it seems the super bug is really a super wimp but of course how would you know if no one told - so be told here - twinc

[Danieltwotwenty]

Thats ok guys, I didn't take any offence.

I was just making sure you knew I was serious and not taking the mickey with twinc.


Dan

[PaulSacramento]

I've heard from some creationalists that things like viruses are the result of the fall.
They didn't exist until evil entered the world.
They stay away from claiming that God created them but state they are a natural occurence of the fallen state of the world.
In short, they evolved because the world is evil BUT they never say the word evolved of course.
Some say that God created them to keep humanity in check, a "biological flood" if you will.
Some simply say they don't know why God created them but that He must have had a purpose.

The issue is that viruses have been proven to evolve, they mutate and get stronger to counter antibiotics and such.
So, that they evolve is a fact and if they can why would God not put that ability in Man and the rest of created life?

how do you know they evolve - it seems the super bug is really a super wimp but of course how would you know if no one told - so be told here - twinc

The evolve because they CHANGE to ADAPT to their environment to SURVIVE better.
You do realize that is what evolution is, right?
It is NOT how anything came to exist, but how it adapts and changes to better suit its environment and survive.