Exodus 11:9-10:
"9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh will not listen to you, so that My wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt.”
10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh; yet the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go out of his land. "
Well, Pharaoh did not listen to them because Lord hardened his heart? Sounds horrible, like He wanted to kill the firstborn so that His 'wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt'. Ach.
I do not know if I am posting currently too much hard stuff. It's because my friend is bombarding me with OT.
Exodus 11:9-10
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Exodus 11:9-10
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
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-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
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Re: Exodus 11:9-10
Hana, I think we have a bunch of topics here that talk about God hardening people's hearts.
Here's one:http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... en#p127628
Here's one:http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... en#p127628
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: Exodus 11:9-10
Rick, I viewed the link. But read verse 9.RickD wrote:Hana, I think we have a bunch of topics here that talk about God hardening people's hearts.
Here's one:http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... en#p127628
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
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Re: Exodus 11:9-10
1over137 wrote:Exodus 11:9-10:
"9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh will not listen to you, so that My wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt.”
10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh; yet the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go out of his land. "
Well, Pharaoh did not listen to them because Lord hardened his heart? Sounds horrible, like He wanted to kill the firstborn so that His 'wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt'. Ach.
I do not know if I am posting currently too much hard stuff. It's because my friend is bombarding me with OT.
Point to ponder:
Whose heart, as a human being, has not been hardened by sin?
Was Pharaoh a sinner or saint?
We forget that there are people out there who prefer the hardness of sin over the salvation the Lord brings and with such folk, God can do with as he deems best.
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Re: Exodus 11:9-10
Ok. But it's not about Pharaoh only. It's about the firstborn and their killing. Look at the verse 9. Who is responsible? God or Pharaoh?
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
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Re: Exodus 11:9-10
One can NOT remove God's responsibility from this act.1over137 wrote:Ok. But it's not about Pharaoh only. It's about the firstborn and their killing. Look at the verse 9. Who is responsible? God or Pharaoh?
It is clear per per Exodus that God killed the first born of Egypt.
It seems by implication of what was written that God wanted to make an example of Pharoah and the Egyptians because of the centuries of Bondage.
One can only imagine how many Hebrew first borns were killed under Egyptian rule...
It seems clear that God made it so that the death of the first born of Egypt was inevitable.
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Re: Exodus 11:9-10
Was killing of firstborn really necessary? Could not he kill Pharaoh only, for example? What you mean by the last sentence?PaulSacramento wrote:One can NOT remove God's responsibility from this act.1over137 wrote:Ok. But it's not about Pharaoh only. It's about the firstborn and their killing. Look at the verse 9. Who is responsible? God or Pharaoh?
It is clear per per Exodus that God killed the first born of Egypt.
It seems by implication of what was written that God wanted to make an example of Pharoah and the Egyptians because of the centuries of Bondage.
One can only imagine how many Hebrew first borns were killed under Egyptian rule...
It seems clear that God made it so that the death of the first born of Egypt was inevitable.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6
#foreverinmyheart
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Re: Exodus 11:9-10
Could God have liberated the Hebrews without the killing of the first born of Egypt?1over137 wrote:Was killing of firstborn really necessary? Could not he kill Pharaoh only, for example? What you mean by the last sentence?PaulSacramento wrote:One can NOT remove God's responsibility from this act.1over137 wrote:Ok. But it's not about Pharaoh only. It's about the firstborn and their killing. Look at the verse 9. Who is responsible? God or Pharaoh?
It is clear per per Exodus that God killed the first born of Egypt.
It seems by implication of what was written that God wanted to make an example of Pharoah and the Egyptians because of the centuries of Bondage.
One can only imagine how many Hebrew first borns were killed under Egyptian rule...
It seems clear that God made it so that the death of the first born of Egypt was inevitable.
Yes, of course, anything is possible for God, but that is NOT the correct question ( that is like asking could God of created the universe different than it is), the correct question is WHY did God have to resort to the death of the first born to make a statement strong enough for Pharaoh?
Killing Pharaoh would only have put another in His place.
One can argue that, IF God had NOT hardened Pharaoh's heart that he MAY have let the Hebrews go earlier, it almost seems to suggest that at times.
Of course letting the Hebrew go was onlY PART of God's plan, the other was to teach Egypt a lesson that they would not soon forget.