"Begotten"

[B. W.]

Where is Jesus referred to as the HS?

Where is the Father referred as the Holy Spirit?
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[1stjohn0666]

The Father and Jesus are never in scripture called the HS

[PaulSacramento]

Where is Jesus referred to as the HS?

Galatians 4:6

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

6 Because you are sons, (A)God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “(B)Abba! Father!”

2 Corinthians 3:17

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where (A)the Spirit of the Lord is, (B)there is liberty.

These passages show the ONENESS of Christ with the HS, the HS that is the spirit of God AND Christ.

[B. W.]

Where is Jesus referred to as the HS?

Galatians 4:6

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

6 Because you are sons, (A)God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “(B)Abba! Father!”

2 Corinthians 3:17

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where (A)the Spirit of the Lord is, (B)there is liberty.

These passages show the ONENESS of Christ with the HS, the HS that is the spirit of God AND Christ.

Also in the OT regarding the word the use of the word pāniym when referred to YHWH such as

Exodus 6:12 And Moses spoke (to pāniym YHWH), saying, "The children of Israel have not heeded me. How then shall Pharaoh heed me, for I am of uncircumcised lips?"

Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before (pāniym) literally reads (my pāniym)

Exodus 23:20,21, "Behold, I send (Malek pāniym) you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of (pāniym) and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him."

John 1:1

Exodus 33:14, 15, And YHWH said, "My (pāniym) will go with you, and I will give you rest." 15 Then he said to Him, "If Your (pāniym) does not go with us, do not bring us up from here.

hmmm...

[PaulSacramento]

The spirit issue becomes a bit confusing because in John Jesus speaks of the HS as distinct from Him and The Father and rightly so.
The HS is distinct, but the HS is God's Spirit and if it is the Spirit of God, then it is also by nature, God.
The HS comes from Christ and IS Christ also because of the same nature they share.
Granted this is NOT something that is easily grasped, nor should it be since nothing that pertains to God is easily grasped by Man.
What we have in the OT and NT is passages in which what is applied to God and stated that is SOLELY OF GOD, is also applied to Jesus and the HS and that can ONLY be if they ALL share the same nature as God.
If not, then God has "changed" His mind about what He told the writers of the OT.

[1stjohn0666]

@B.W. why are you giving me the word "faces" in the Hebrew?

[PaulSacramento]

Paniym an also mean "presence".

[B. W.]

@B.W. why are you giving me the word "faces" in the Hebrew?

See Part 4 and 5 concerning this word - paniym or can be spelled panim

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... 22&t=33317

Paniym / Panim

In a nutshell short way to define this word...

Paniym is a plural noun and has many applications and different shades of meaning according to sentence context it is used in. Panim often has within its meaning – of Him/Her/ of name/of Place/of thing – translated in the OT in singular as Before, Face, Presence This word does imply a plural meaning such as: Befores, Faces, Presences. It is a Plural Noun: Person, Place, or Thing. It can be used along with singular adjectives/verb cases or with the plural cases which also help narrow the meaning.

Not an easy word to simply define and use the same way in every case it is used. That is why Context specifically defines the use of word such as paniym. The Idea is something belonging - Of - the noun. Often it has a dual noun meaning – of him – before him, in front of him, etc. It can also denote a group such as Pharaoh’s Paniym / his head counselors. This word has a wide array of applications that only the context can clarify.

Interesting in many cases is how YHWH’s paniym / panim have their own individual personalities, speech forms described in theophanies about God found in the bible. Often YHWH’s Paniym are identified and Named such as Malak (Messanger/Task doer) paniym who does things and speaks, and the Ruach Panyim who hovers over, empowers, and speaks. Remember context is key defining this paniym as well as if this plural noun is used along side of singular or plural cases.
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[1stjohn0666]

If you are defining "panyim" to mean "presence" ... I still don't get your point.

[B. W.]

If you are defining "panyim" to mean "presence" ... I still don't get your point.

Of course you don’t…

[1stjohn0666]

Of course I don't, you made absolutely no sense.

[B. W.]

Of course I don't, you made absolutely no sense.

You appear not to know even the basics of ancient Hebrew and Greek of the bible - so of course you do not understand. You also appear not know how English translations came about either. Your POV is based on pure memorized dictation - so it cannot permit reason...
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[1stjohn0666]

the face of God, the presence of God....the trinity? NO CLUE what your point is.

[B. W.]

the face of God, the presence of God....the trinity? NO CLUE what your point is.

My point is -- You appear not to know even the basics of ancient Hebrew and Greek of the bible...
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[1stjohn0666]

I can't answer or make a comment from something you are not making clear.