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6 million Jews were killed in Hitler's holocaust, and now another 6 million more threatened today.. I hate to say this but it seems we truly never learn from history. A repeat... Of blindness..
Thank you Philip... Well said.. Israel is about to go through some very nasty trials soon and is surrounded by enemies who wish to blow it out of the water. It's hard to believe again that the Jews are once again the target but when you trace history, they have always been the target of discrimination. This is spiritual warfare 101..Philip wrote:Well, the president of Iran sure didn't vett the funding and direction of their nuclear weapons ambitions by himself. He may be a figurehead, but you can bet he is being used by the mullah's who control him. And who is naive enough to believe that they are not doing all they can to cause harm or destroy Israel, or to fund groups dedicated to that very end? Iran will likely never drop a nuke on Israel in a conventional way, but covertly, by its sycophants, in a small, dirty nuclear device smuggled into one of their population areas.
And just why has Iran consistently lied about its nuclear program? As the mullahs are the real power, does one really think the president is threatening to destroy Israel if they did not approve of that message? Despite what the Supreme Leader says, do you trust a regime that not long ago butchered its own citizens in the streets, executing many others later? These are deluded madmen who are under the cult of Islam. Only the stupid and naive wait to confirm threats of those with the power to carry them out - or allow them to get that power. Any student of history knows that we have been there, done that - and to great disaster.
Think Islam just might be a Satanic cult? Hmmm? The two of the greatest, destabilizing threats to the world over the last 100 years have been the Nazis and today's Islamists. And just what burning, core hatred have they both shared? HATRED OF THE JEWS!!!
Go look at the geo/political map. See the size and huge land masses of Israel's surrounding enemies. Riiigghhtt, the Muslim world's great fear should realistically be tiny, little Israel. All of their poverty, dysfunction, disunity and the many inter-tribal hatreds and barbarity upon each other have nothing to do with themselves, but are due to a tiny little nation whose land was given to it BY GOD HIMSELF! Please! Every year, Muslim extremists butcher far more Muslims than are ever harmed by Israel or the U.S. It's just another day in Iraq when a bomb butchers a hundred people in a market. The only people they hate as bad as us are other Islamic sects. The Muslim world is it's own worst enemy. But it all starts with their belief in Islam.
This is speculation at best. But even then, why do you think they would be looking to use Ahmadinejad's influence? Maybe because of the hype the West has created. the reason Iran pays so much attention to him, is because the West does. And the West pays attention to him is because he's 'president.' That sounds important, right? Well in Iranian politics, not so much.Philip wrote:Well, the president of Iran sure didn't vett the funding and direction of their nuclear weapons ambitions by himself. He may be a figurehead, but you can bet he is being used by the mullah's who control him.
Then that's who we should worry about; not Ahmadinejad. That was my main point, after all. Israel has held its own. Let's not forget the last time they were threatened by legitimate threat. (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War)Philip wrote:And who is naive enough to believe that they are not doing all they can to cause harm or destroy Israel, or to fund groups dedicated to that very end? Iran will likely never drop a nuke on Israel in a conventional way, but covertly, by its sycophants, in a small, dirty nuclear device smuggled into one of their population areas.
Again, my big point here is being missed. Ahmadinejad has no real power, as he's outranked about 10 other people at the very least. For example, the Guardian Council, who can basically decide what the president can follow through with, along with the power to deny any action or restrict anything he can do. Seems you're also forgetting that this guy is getting pretty unpopular as of late. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80 ... n_protests) This whole country is weak militarily! ven the very first time he said he wanted to obliterate Israel was a horrifyingly tragic mistranslation. (see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... 14/post155)Philip wrote:And just why has Iran consistently lied about its nuclear program? As the mullahs are the real power, does one really think the president is threatening to destroy Israel if they did not approve of that message? Despite what the Supreme Leader says, do you trust a regime that not long ago butchered its own citizens in the streets, executing many others later? These are deluded madmen who are under the cult of Islam. Only the stupid and naive wait to confirm threats of those with the power to carry them out - or allow them to get that power. Any student of history knows that we have been there, done that - and to great disaster.
It's stuff like this from Ron Paul that leads people to erroneously think he's antiSemitic. I guess those who don't blindly support Israel, are anti-Semitic.Take a look here as well, if you're feeling a tad bit interventionist:
http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=60
I like a lot of the stuff by Ron Paul. He's one of the few people in politics who really knows what's up.RickD wrote:It's stuff like this from Ron Paul that leads people to erroneously think he's antiSemitic. I guess those who don't blindly support Israel, are anti-Semitic.
If God wants Israel around, she'll remain. With or without the help of the U.S. On the flip side, I don't think we want to see another holocaust.
well i would not say that people who don't support Israel are anti-semitic and i hope i don't give you that impression i just feel and believe that the jewish people are our brothers and sisters. i believe God hasn't forgotten His people Israel and i also believe it is not coincidence that the people of Israel are a nation again despite all the odds. God has a plan for His people Israel.RickD wrote:It's stuff like this from Ron Paul that leads people to erroneously think he's antiSemitic. I guess those who don't blindly support Israel, are anti-Semitic.Take a look here as well, if you're feeling a tad bit interventionist:
http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=60
If God wants Israel around, she'll remain. With or without the help of the U.S. On the flip side, I don't think we want to see another holocaust.
Exactly zionist.. Anyone who reads and knows the Bible understands that Yeshua (or Christ) is going to restore Israel back to it's proper place Acts 1:6. Yeshua is not going to be reigning from Las Vegas, D.C., China, Guam, or Europe.. It always goes back to Jerusalem, Micah 4:2, which is why so many people hate it. And the Jewish people will finally be exalted and TRIUMPH to their proper place as kings. Then all will submit (including me).Zionist wrote: we as brothers in messiah should be supportive of our jewish brethren. i just don't understand how as believers in messiah there a lot that don't recognize the importance of Israel. we got all these crazy islam fanatics that only want Israel's destruction and demise and they have stated it in the media but Israel is somehow painted to be the big bad country. Just look at the size! how can a tiny little nation surrounded by enemies on all sides be in existence today? it is only by the hand of God that they are there and we as christians and believers need to stand up for our jewish brethern! God blesses those that bless Israel
Oh.. And it's not only Ahmadinejad who wants to destroy Israel.. Rather it is a coalition of nations..Stygian wrote:You know, this WOULD be pretty bad news... if Ahmedinejad was even in charge of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei). Mahmoud Ahmadinejad receives way too much press for anybody's good. The man isn't in control of anything that would give him the opportunity to even attack Israel (namely, he has no power over the nuclear program or even the armed forces).
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I understand that. My point has nothing to do with that, but with the fact that Ahmadinejad is only a talking head, and nothing else. He's garnered nothing but negative attention, even in Iran, so I doubt he's got all that much support.Gman wrote:Oh.. And it's not only Ahmadinejad who wants to destroy Israel.. Rather it a coalition of nations..Stygian wrote:You know, this WOULD be pretty bad news... if Ahmedinejad was even in charge of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei). Mahmoud Ahmadinejad receives way too much press for anybody's good. The man isn't in control of anything that would give him the opportunity to even attack Israel (namely, he has no power over the nuclear program or even the armed forces).
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I disagree with that too.. Ahmadinejad does have power and has most of the support of the conservative party. Sure you could advocate that the greens party opposes him, but that is the smaller group at this time.. Ahmadinejad is very much a threat and is crazy enough to do anything.Stygian wrote: I understand that. My point has nothing to do with that, but with the fact that Ahmadinejad is only a talking head, and nothing else. He's garnered nothing but negative attention, even in Iran, so I doubt he's got all that much support.