Do we got straight to Heaven Or Hell something new to read

[jezzer]

I was just doing a search and came across this what do you think of it all im now

http://www.roadtobetterliving.com/HTML/StateOfDead.html

[PaulSacramento]

It is important to realize that the Hebrews had different notions of life after death and life AFTER life after death.
The Saudacee didn't believe in life after death or the resurrection.
The Pharissee and the Essen did.
Jesus taught life after death and the resurrection.
WLC's view:
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/transcri ... hen-we-die

[B. W.]

It is important to realize that the Hebrews had different notions of life after death and life AFTER life after death.
The Saudacee didn't believe in life after death or the resurrection.
The Pharissee and the Essen did.
Jesus taught life after death and the resurrection.
WLC's view:
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/transcri ... hen-we-die

Very good article Paul from Craig...
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[DRDS]

Awesome article from WLC!

[1stjohn0666]

The afterlife from the OP was a 7th day Adventist article which I seen David Asscherick "Discover Prophecy" ... good material. I firmly believe that Enoch and Elijah are not in heaven currently also.

[theophilus]

When Jesus was dying he promised the repentant criminal that he would be with him in Paradise that day. When a believer dies he goes immediately to be with Christ.

This isn't our final destination. The last part of the Bible describes the creation of a new earth which will be the final residence of all who are saved. We were made to live on this earth. Sin brought death and as a result we go someplace else when we die but in the end there will be new earth which is populated by the people who have become new as a result of their faith in Christ.

When an unsaved person dies he goes to a place called Hades. In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus tells of a man who ended up there. But there will be a final judgment after which all those in Hades will be thrown into the lake of fire, which is Hell.

And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
(Revelation 20:13-14 ESV)

The translators of the King James Bible used the word "hell" to translate two different words in the New Testament, "Hades" and "Gehenna." This has caused some people to be confused about what happens after we die.

[1stjohn0666]

The KJV translates 3 words as "hell" Gehenna, Hades, and Tartaroo in the NT and a 4th from the OT Sheol. I would strongly have any person search the bible for the doctrine of "immortality of the soul" Only Jesus has ascended to heaven, and our hope as saved Christians is not to become disembodied spirits (ghosts) it is for a resurrection to happen and it is at that 7th trumpet we put on immortality not before.

[PaulSacramento]

There is no "immortality of the soul" in the bible, it is clear that the soul can be killed.
Of course, IF by immortality you mean come thing that can't die.
If, however, you are coming at it from the "highlander" immortality world, where one is immortal UNLESS one is KILLED, then yes there is an immortality of the soul doctrine in the bible, angelic beings being a prime example.
Unless of course one believes that angels do NOT have a soul.

[RickD]

Man is body, soul, and spirit. Just a thought, the spirit is the eternal "part" of man. Not eternal without beginning like God. But eternal, without end, once created by God for an eternal(outside time when this space-time universe is gone) relationship with the Creator.

[PaulSacramento]

Man is body, soul, and spirit. Just a thought, the spirit is the eternal "part" of man. Not eternal without beginning like God. But eternal, without end, once created by God for an eternal(outside time when this space-time universe is gone) relationship with the Creator.

Indeed, it was the Hellenistic influence that causes a "confusion" or "mixing" of soul and spirit.
Most of the time when people talk about soul, they mean spirit (going to heaven, being immortal)
One can possibly argue that they are the same thing or we can't have one without the other.

[1stjohn0666]

I am not mixing up spirit and soul. I stated in my post that it is not our Christian hope to become disembodied "spirits" (ghosts) This is also something that was heavily influenced by the Hellenistic ideology. The bible does not teach that we have a divine inner "ghost" spirit that is a conscious entity apart from the body. This would imply that the second coming is of little importance or none at all. The last trumpet is when immortality happens for us, not before.

[PaulSacramento]

Spirit is not a 'Ghost", that is a Hellenestic view that caused the Apostles Like Paul and the apostolic fathers after him, to try to "fuse" soul and spirit.
In the greek world soul was good but spirit (which was to them a "ghost) was bad.
The spirit is given to Us by God, that is was makes us unique from all other living beings.
The soul is material, the spirit is heavenly, as Paul stated.
The spirit returns to God upon the death of our bodies and our bodies are resurrected when the spirit returns to it.
Our spirit is all that we are, our mind, our conscience.

[theophilus]

I would strongly have any person search the bible for the doctrine of "immortality of the soul"

The Bible doesn't teach the immortality of the soul but it does teach that our souls are eternal and continue to function after the body has died. In fact, anyone who hasn't repented of his sins and put his faith in Christ is already spiritually dead even though his body is alive.

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.
(Ephesians 2:1-2 ESV)

Eternal life isn't a continued state of existence but a state of having our sins forgiven and knowing God, not just knowing about him.

And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
(John 17:3 ESV)

Only Jesus has ascended to heaven, and our hope as saved Christians is not to become disembodied spirits (ghosts) it is for a resurrection to happen and it is at that 7th trumpet we put on immortality not before.

Only Jesus has ascended bodily but the souls of all the saved people who have died are with him in Heaven.

I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.
(Philippians 1:23 ESV)

But but salvation includes not only the salvation of our souls but the resurrection of our bodies.

[PaulSacramento]

There are two different issues here:
Life after death - what happens after we die ( what happens to the soul and to the spirit)
Life AFTER life after death- the resurrection of the body.

[1stjohn0666]

God's breath that sparks the life in us, is not a conscious entity apart from the body. The body without the spirit is dead. One could argue that only Jesus ascended to heaven bodily but some of those people also say Enoch and Elijah did that very same thing prior to the ascension of Jesus. I do not agree that the "spirit" of men returns to God, but rather it is the breath of God that returns to him as it was God breathed the life into us so that "man BECAME a living NEPHESH/SOUL" Also when Paul states "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" is not a proof text that one does "not surely die" (remember the serpents lie) but goes to heaven and lives in bliss, making the 2nd coming little or of no importance. Immortality happens at the last trumpet not before. Immortality = eternal life. If we read on a little Paul states that he desires to be clothed and not naked. This a hope for a glorified body.