Negligence

[snorider]

Should these religious leaders be prosecuted for negligent homicide?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7952829.stm
How many have died and are still dying because of his words?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14406818



What do you think?

Love,
Jordan

[RickD]

Should these religious leaders be prosecuted for negligent homicide?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7952829.stm
How many have died and are still dying because of his words?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14406818



What do you think?

Love,
Jordan

snorider, why are you so angry with God?

[Ivellious]

I'm not angry with God, but I am deeply saddened by stories like this. It's not the fault of faith or belief, it's the fault of organized religions and their leaders who manipulate people using religion as a context.

I don't think anyone can argue that the pastors advocating for people to stop trusting doctors are doing a public service. They are essentially preaching insanity and, as far as I'm concerned, straight-up lying to potential believers with stories of miracles. It's a pretty evil thing to preach something that 99% of the time will be fatal. That said, I can't bring myself to say they should be prosecuted. Presuming they are convincing sane, mature adults into their beliefs, then as far as the courts are concerned it's the now-dead people's own damn fault. Now, if they start convincing the mentally ill or children to stop taking their necessary medications, then they have just committed murder in most countries. Until then, all anyone can do is try to actually educate people and hopefully Christians can spread the word that God doesn't want you to test your faith by blindly throwing medicine out the window.

As far as the pope is concerned, I don't have much to say. Catholics can have their beliefs and spread them if they so desire. I don't agree, and I do think that such beliefs and fears instilled by Catholic traditions will ultimately undo any progress made in reducing HIV in Africa, it's not like they've done anything illegal. From a secular viewpoint, their beliefs might be detrimental to those people, but there is nothing I can do to stop it or anything.

[snorider]

I'm not angry with God, but I am deeply saddened by stories like this. It's not the fault of faith or belief, it's the fault of organized religions and their leaders who manipulate people using religion as a context.

I don't think anyone can argue that the pastors advocating for people to stop trusting doctors are doing a public service. They are essentially preaching insanity and, as far as I'm concerned, straight-up lying to potential believers with stories of miracles. It's a pretty evil thing to preach something that 99% of the time will be fatal. That said, I can't bring myself to say they should be prosecuted. Presuming they are convincing sane, mature adults into their beliefs, then as far as the courts are concerned it's the now-dead people's own damn fault. Now, if they start convincing the mentally ill or children to stop taking their necessary medications, then they have just committed murder in most countries. Until then, all anyone can do is try to actually educate people and hopefully Christians can spread the word that God doesn't want you to test your faith by blindly throwing medicine out the window.

As far as the pope is concerned, I don't have much to say. Catholics can have their beliefs and spread them if they so desire. I don't agree, and I do think that such beliefs and fears instilled by Catholic traditions will ultimately undo any progress made in reducing HIV in Africa, it's not like they've done anything illegal. From a secular viewpoint, their beliefs might be detrimental to those people, but there is nothing I can do to stop it or anything.

Thanks, personally I think they should at least be removed from a position of power and/or trust in situations like these.

[Danieltwotwenty]

I'm not angry with God, but I am deeply saddened by stories like this. It's not the fault of faith or belief, it's the fault of organized religions and their leaders who manipulate people using religion as a context.

I don't think anyone can argue that the pastors advocating for people to stop trusting doctors are doing a public service. They are essentially preaching insanity and, as far as I'm concerned, straight-up lying to potential believers with stories of miracles. It's a pretty evil thing to preach something that 99% of the time will be fatal. That said, I can't bring myself to say they should be prosecuted. Presuming they are convincing sane, mature adults into their beliefs, then as far as the courts are concerned it's the now-dead people's own damn fault. Now, if they start convincing the mentally ill or children to stop taking their necessary medications, then they have just committed murder in most countries. Until then, all anyone can do is try to actually educate people and hopefully Christians can spread the word that God doesn't want you to test your faith by blindly throwing medicine out the window.

As far as the pope is concerned, I don't have much to say. Catholics can have their beliefs and spread them if they so desire. I don't agree, and I do think that such beliefs and fears instilled by Catholic traditions will ultimately undo any progress made in reducing HIV in Africa, it's not like they've done anything illegal. From a secular viewpoint, their beliefs might be detrimental to those people, but there is nothing I can do to stop it or anything.

Thanks, personally I think they should at least be removed from a position of power and/or trust in situations like these.

How do you feel about atheistic regimes who kill millions of people?

I feel the same way about anyone who takes advantage of another for his own gain.

[snorider]

I'm not angry with God, but I am deeply saddened by stories like this. It's not the fault of faith or belief, it's the fault of organized religions and their leaders who manipulate people using religion as a context.

I don't think anyone can argue that the pastors advocating for people to stop trusting doctors are doing a public service. They are essentially preaching insanity and, as far as I'm concerned, straight-up lying to potential believers with stories of miracles. It's a pretty evil thing to preach something that 99% of the time will be fatal. That said, I can't bring myself to say they should be prosecuted. Presuming they are convincing sane, mature adults into their beliefs, then as far as the courts are concerned it's the now-dead people's own damn fault. Now, if they start convincing the mentally ill or children to stop taking their necessary medications, then they have just committed murder in most countries. Until then, all anyone can do is try to actually educate people and hopefully Christians can spread the word that God doesn't want you to test your faith by blindly throwing medicine out the window.

As far as the pope is concerned, I don't have much to say. Catholics can have their beliefs and spread them if they so desire. I don't agree, and I do think that such beliefs and fears instilled by Catholic traditions will ultimately undo any progress made in reducing HIV in Africa, it's not like they've done anything illegal. From a secular viewpoint, their beliefs might be detrimental to those people, but there is nothing I can do to stop it or anything.

Thanks, personally I think they should at least be removed from a position of power and/or trust in situations like these.

How do you feel about atheistic regimes who kill millions of people?

I feel the same way about anyone who takes advantage of another for his own gain.

I'm not sure if you understand the definition of atheism.

Now, Atheist is defined as knowing there is no God. The term for most of us is Anti-Theism. We cannot prove there is not a god, you cannot prove there is.

Now most people understand the term Atheist, we would spend a lot of time explaining the difference of Anti-Theism and Atheist, most of us just go with it to avoid the headache of educating every person.


There isn't a church of "Atheism", one person killing millions does not reflect the views of other "atheists".

Now, should we talk about the Crusades?

[PaulSacramento]

Should these religious leaders be prosecuted for negligent homicide?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7952829.stm
How many have died and are still dying because of his words?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14406818



What do you think?

Love,
Jordan

I believe that the people responsible for horrific crimes should answer for them.

[Danieltwotwenty]

one person killing millions does not reflect the views of other "atheists".

and neither does some "Christian" killing people reflect on the rest of Christianity.

There isn't a church of "Atheism"

Really!!! Please check out this link http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

Excerpt from an article http://nymag.com/news/features/46214/

So some atheists are taking seriously the idea that atheism needs to stand for things, like evolution and ethics, not just against things, like God. The most successful movements in history, after all—Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.—all have creeds, cathedrals, schools, hierarchies, rituals, money, clerics, and some version of a heavenly afterlife. Churches fill needs, goes the argument—they inculcate ethics, give meaning, build communities. “Science and reason are important,” says Greg Epstein, the humanist chaplain of Harvard University. “But science and reason won’t visit you in the hospital.”

Many atheist sects are experimenting with building new, human-centered quasi-religious organizations, much like Ethical Culture. They aim to remove God from the church, while leaving the church, at least large parts of it, standing. But this impulse is fueling a growing schism among atheists. Many of them see churches as part of the problem. They want to throw out the baby and the bathwater—or at least they don’t see the need for the bathwater once the baby is gone.

Seems like atheism is now a religion.

Now, should we talk about the Crusades?

Neo-x posted this awhile ago

Atheists alone killed more poeple in the last century...

An excerpt from the Irrational Atheist by Vox Day, Pg: 240-242, Chapter Red Hand of Atheism.

there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the
helm, beginning with the First French Republic and ending with the four atheist regimes currently extant: the People’s Republic of China,
the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the Lao People’s Democratic Republic, and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. These twenty-
eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal15 acts of the sort
committed by Stalin and Mao and are known to have murdered at least 20,000 of their own citizens.

The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two
atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.
The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most
infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst
of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and
a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere...

Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence
that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact
that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians,
even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically
significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed
similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case.

Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!

Now please stop bashing religion, God is not responsible for Human wrong doings and neither is an institution whether it be scientific, religious, atheist etc......

Dan

[jlay]

Now, should we talk about the Crusades?

Sure, what did you have in mind specifically?

Actually the point you make about atheists is a good one. The real issue is to examine the tenets of the faith. The first article you link is just poppy ****. The Pope speaks on a moral issue. Not a legal one. Last I checked the Pope doesn't make laws for Uganda. However, if people did practice abstinance what are the chances of contracting HIV sexually? How about zero. However, there are still chances to contract HIV while using condems.

The next case is interesting. I would say this is obviously some kind of cult. And the news article is just flat wrong to use the blanket term "Evangelical Christian" church. Accoring to?????? Just what biblical tenet gives a pastor the right to tell people to stop taking their medicine?