This actually adds to the validity of the Bible and does not detract from it, it is quite well established that it is normal if people see a certain situation and then write about it, some of the details are going to be different.Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, all I am reading here are contradicting stories about an extremely important event.
I would say without any variance. Two people can witness the same event and give different testimony yet both be without error.Danieltwotwenty wrote:This actually adds to the validity of the Bible and does not detract from it, it is quite well established that it is normal if people see a certain situation and then write about it, some of the details are going to be different.
It would be quite strange and unrealistic if all accounts were exactly the same without any errors.
We have? Wow! Now if 'grain of salt' means proper exegesis then Amen. Otherwise, we, haven't established anything such. I would establish that claim as, "poppycock."We have established that scripture has to be taken with a grain of salt. If we can't literally trust the Bible, the inspired word of God. What basis is there for establishing my lifestyle from it?
Have you read the studies about eye witness testimony?Danieltwotwenty wrote:This actually adds to the validity of the Bible and does not detract from it, it is quite well established that it is normal if people see a certain situation and then write about it, some of the details are going to be different.Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, all I am reading here are contradicting stories about an extremely important event.
It would be quite strange and unrealistic if all accounts were exactly the same without any errors.
snorider wrote:Have you read the studies about eye witness testimony?Danieltwotwenty wrote:This actually adds to the validity of the Bible and does not detract from it, it is quite well established that it is normal if people see a certain situation and then write about it, some of the details are going to be different.Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, all I am reading here are contradicting stories about an extremely important event.
It would be quite strange and unrealistic if all accounts were exactly the same without any errors.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/underst ... cation.php
http://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue%20 ... versky.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony
There have been several cases of hundreds of people reporting a UFO siting in one night that turned out to be the planet Venus:
http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/Venusufo.htm
Deuteronomy 21:18-21jlay wrote:I would say without any variance. Two people can witness the same event and give different testimony yet both be without error.Danieltwotwenty wrote:This actually adds to the validity of the Bible and does not detract from it, it is quite well established that it is normal if people see a certain situation and then write about it, some of the details are going to be different.
It would be quite strange and unrealistic if all accounts were exactly the same without any errors.
We have? Wow! Now if 'grain of salt' means proper exegesis then Amen. Otherwise, we, haven't established anything such. I would establish that claim as, "poppycock."We have established that scripture has to be taken with a grain of salt. If we can't literally trust the Bible, the inspired word of God. What basis is there for establishing my lifestyle from it?
The gospel of Peter is just a giant straw man. Seems absurd to bring it up amongst a group of people who outright reject it as having any association with the four Gospels.
Danieltwotwenty wrote:Oh dear ....... the law was not written for us....it was writen for the Israelites....maybe you should read what the new testament has to say about the law....in particular what Jesus has to say.... the law was literal but not designed for us.
I really can't stress it enough, CONTEXT is very important and sound EXEGESIS is required to gain an understanding of the texts.
Dan
You posted almost immediately after this post, so you haven't even looked at the video I posted about the subject of children perception. Do you not care?Danieltwotwenty wrote:I think someone needs a big hug.
My time talking with you sno is done, because you have ears yet do not hear, you have eyes but do not see.
Why are you wasting your time here, what is your purpose here, what do you hope to acheive, you need to ask yourself these question and maybe read the board guidelines and ask your self is this the place for me.
You just seem to repeat yourself over and over, kinda reminds me of Magsolo, are you Magsolo??
Dan
Any view whether it be religious, atheistic, political, social, ecological will be pushed onto children. It's a fact of life get over it.We should not be pushing ANY religion on them, let them choose for themselves.
Firstly your complaint about Child baptism is riddiclues, should we also not send children to school until they can decide if they want to go for themselves.We should not be baptizing, mutilating children without their consent.
There is nothing of substance to reply to in your posts, you have a beef with religion and i get that, other than that there is nothing to respond to.u posted almost immediately after this post, so you haven't even looked at the video I posted about the subject of children perception. Do you not care?
I clicked on the link read the title and didn't want to waste 42 minutes of my life listening to atheistic rhetoric.so you haven't even looked at the video
"Firstly your complaint about Child baptism is riddiclues, should we also not send children to school until they can decide if they want to go themselves."Danieltwotwenty wrote:Any view whether it be religious, atheistic, political, social, ecological will be pushed onto children. It's a fact of life get over it.We should not be pushing ANY religion on them, let them choose for themselves.
Firstly your complaint about Child baptism is riddiclues, should we also not send children to school until they can decide if they want to go themselves.We should not be baptizing, mutilating children without their consent.
Secondly the circumcision was for the Jewish nation (possibly because of hygine issues) not for us and I agree that people should leave childrens genitils alone, but this is not restricted to just religious people, I know many an atheist that has had their own children done. As I have stated earlier, circumcision became popular after the two great wars because of hygine and not due to religious practice.
Dan
Guided by an adult.WOW, children are curious be default, they learn and experiment AS children.
You need to go to Bible school, because you have been told multiple times that the Bible does not say the Earth was created in 6 Literal days, the word in ancient hebrew is yom which has a few different meanings depending on context."When you teach children that the world was created in 6 days, they lose that Scientific motivation, well that question is answered. Let's move on"
I was talking about baptism not circumcision.How can you compare the two? Cutting a child and putting them in a school? Are you serious?
Pretty sure an all knowing God would know the benefits for a people without proper sanitation, like I have said multiple times in western culture it is not always a religious practice.Yes, there are health benefits for circumcision BUT that isn't why it was done, religious driven. The REASON for circumcision is the point. Circumcision has been practiced for centuries, it isn't until recent studies that showed the benefits.
Again in western culture babies are cimcumcised by religious and non-religious alike, it is not confined to just religious organisations.The fact that recent studies show that it can be beneficial in preventing disease does not justify centuries of religious based circumcisions. A convenient coincidence for your argument.
Nope, not going to watch 42 minutes of my life waste away, I would rather watch paint dry.I know you posted immediately after my post, have you/are you watching the video I posted?
I can't let this pass, it's cynicle and outrageous.Danieltwotwenty wrote:Any view whether it be religious, atheistic, political, social, ecological will be pushed onto children. It's a fact of life get over it.
