Nueroscience

hopefulskeptic · Post by **hopefulskeptic** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:56 pm

I would say I am a christian, and I sincerily desire to be. But I am also someone who must look deeply into everything I believe to make sure that it is true. There are many things that make me think that there is no God and life's meaning is ambiguous. I will start with the idea that scares me the most, that we have no free will. Many nueroscientists believe that the conscience mind is nothing more than a filter for the 'unconscience', which is where all our decisions are truely made. For the full arguement look up Jerry A. Coyne. Can anyone refute this? The thought of free will being an illusion rattles me greatly, and I would love for someone to refute. But, again, I can't just ignore it.

bippy123 · Post by **bippy123** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:56 am

hopefulskeptic wrote:I would say I am a christian, and I sincerily desire to be. But I am also someone who must go look deeply into everything I believe to make sure that it is true. There are many things that make me think that there is no God and life's meaning is ambiguous. I will start with the idea that scares me the most, that we have no free will. Many nueroscientists believe that the conscience mind is nothing more than a filter for the 'unconscience', which is where all our decisions are truely made. For the full arguement look up Jerry A. Coyne. Can anyone refute this? The thought of free will being an illusion rattles me greatly, and I would love for someone to refute. But, again, I can't just ignore it.

Hello hopefull, welcome to the forum

Here is an article that seems to do a pretty good job of refuting Coyne on this. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intellig ... will-dead/

,but what I like even more is the compelling evidence that favors the human consciousness living even when the brain stops functioning, as has been experienced by people that have had veredical near death experiences and regular near death experiences: http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... =6&t=37962

Byblos · Post by **Byblos** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:19 am

hopefulskeptic wrote:I would say I am a christian, and I sincerily desire to be. But I am also someone who must go look deeply into everything I believe to make sure that it is true. There are many things that make me think that there is no God and life's meaning is ambiguous. I will start with the idea that scares me the most, that we have no free will. Many nueroscientists believe that the conscience mind is nothing more than a filter for the 'unconscience', which is where all our decisions are truely made. For the full arguement look up Jerry A. Coyne. Can anyone refute this? The thought of free will being an illusion rattles me greatly, and I would love for someone to refute. But, again, I can't just ignore it.

Then keep this in mind, if there is no God then free will is most certainly an illusion brought on by nothing more than pure chance and chemical reactions. Fatalistic determinism.

jlay · Post by **jlay** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:21 am

hopefulskeptic wrote:I would say I am a christian, and I sincerily desire to be. But I am also someone who must go look deeply into everything I believe to make sure that it is true. There are many things that make me think that there is no God and life's meaning is ambiguous. I will start with the idea that scares me the most, that we have no free will. Many nueroscientists believe that the conscience mind is nothing more than a filter for the 'unconscience', which is where all our decisions are truely made. For the full arguement look up Jerry A. Coyne. Can anyone refute this? The thought of free will being an illusion rattles me greatly, and I would love for someone to refute. But, again, I can't just ignore it.

I guess you are wired that way.

Well, if there is no free will, then your being rattled is also a result of this. Would you say that your concerns are really your concerns or just the result of unguided natural processes?

PaulSacramento · Post by **PaulSacramento** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:50 am

EVERYTHING is subject to our perception of reality, including what ANY neuroscience says.

hopefulskeptic · Post by **hopefulskeptic** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:48 pm

bippy123 wrote:
hopefulskeptic wrote:I would say I am a christian, and I sincerily desire to be. But I am also someone who must go look deeply into everything I believe to make sure that it is true. There are many things that make me think that there is no God and life's meaning is ambiguous. I will start with the idea that scares me the most, that we have no free will. Many nueroscientists believe that the conscience mind is nothing more than a filter for the 'unconscience', which is where all our decisions are truely made. For the full arguement look up Jerry A. Coyne. Can anyone refute this? The thought of free will being an illusion rattles me greatly, and I would love for someone to refute. But, again, I can't just ignore it.
Hello hopefull, welcome to the forum
Here is an article that seems to do a pretty good job of refuting Coyne on this. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intellig ... will-dead/

,but what I like even more is the compelling evidence that favors the human consciousness living even when the brain stops functioning, as has been experienced by people that have had veredical near death experiences and regular near death experiences: http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... =6&t=37962

Thank you! I greatly enjoyed the links, I am no longer rattled.

This is a great forum.

bippy123 · Post by **bippy123** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:32 am

hopefulskeptic wrote:
bippy123 wrote:
hopefulskeptic wrote:I would say I am a christian, and I sincerily desire to be. But I am also someone who must go look deeply into everything I believe to make sure that it is true. There are many things that make me think that there is no God and life's meaning is ambiguous. I will start with the idea that scares me the most, that we have no free will. Many nueroscientists believe that the conscience mind is nothing more than a filter for the 'unconscience', which is where all our decisions are truely made. For the full arguement look up Jerry A. Coyne. Can anyone refute this? The thought of free will being an illusion rattles me greatly, and I would love for someone to refute. But, again, I can't just ignore it.
Hello hopefull, welcome to the forum
Here is an article that seems to do a pretty good job of refuting Coyne on this. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intellig ... will-dead/

,but what I like even more is the compelling evidence that favors the human consciousness living even when the brain stops functioning, as has been experienced by people that have had veredical near death experiences and regular near death experiences: http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... =6&t=37962
Thank you! I greatly enjoyed the links, I am no longer rattled. This is a great forum.

Your very welcome my friend. God bless you always
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