Children born with disabilities

[Sam1995]

Hi,

I'm not going to pretend that I have a vast understanding of God's nature, especially within areas like this! I guess that's why I've recently joined the forum, to learn and be encouraged by you all!

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

Thanks, and God bless!

SB

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

These are a result of of our sin nature. The sin nature is our most important disability and one which we all share and will die from.

As for myself, my health is great and my only other deficiency is being Canadian.

FL

[Sam1995]

Thank you!

[Byblos]

As for myself, my health is great and my only other deficiency is being Canadian.

I.e. Original sin redefined.

[PaulSacramento]

Hi,

I'm not going to pretend that I have a vast understanding of God's nature, especially within areas like this! I guess that's why I've recently joined the forum, to learn and be encouraged by you all!

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

Thanks, and God bless!

SB

We are "slaves" to our environment and what we have done to it.
Because of our fallen state, we are not in harmony with creation and all of creation has suffered because of this.
Our children being born with disabilities and such is a by-product of what WE have done to our environment.

[Sam1995]

Thanks for your responses all! This has helped!

God bless!

SB

[neo-x]

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

To be strict, no, there is no such answer which directly addresses the issue. I am not sure if sin created DNA, cell, gene, chromosome, virus or bacteria? if sin created these things then sin is God.

We can speculate that this has something to do with bodily imperfection then we have to assume that creation changed after the fall, physically...I do not think there is sufficient merit for such an assumption to be taken literally, though I know people do believe this.

[Byblos]

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

To be strict, no, there is no such answer which directly addresses the issue. I am not sure if sin created DNA, cell, gene, chromosome, virus or bacteria? if sin created these things then sin is God.

We can speculate that this has something to do with bodily imperfection then we have to assume that creation changed after the fall, physically...I do not think there is sufficient merit for such an assumption to be taken literally, though I know people do believe this.

At the root of sin is intent. Without intent there is no sin.

[Sam1995]

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

To be strict, no, there is no such answer which directly addresses the issue. I am not sure if sin created DNA, cell, gene, chromosome, virus or bacteria? if sin created these things then sin is God.

We can speculate that this has something to do with bodily imperfection then we have to assume that creation changed after the fall, physically...I do not think there is sufficient merit for such an assumption to be taken literally, though I know people do believe this.

At the root of sin is intent. Without intent there is no sin.

That original root of sin obviously comes from Adam and Eve in the garden, so if a baby dies during an abortion, does it go to heaven? I guess that's the question of whenever a life becomes a life...

I just asked that second question to create discussion!

SB

[neo-x]

Byblos » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:04 pm

neo-x wrote:
This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?


To be strict, no, there is no such answer which directly addresses the issue. I am not sure if sin created DNA, cell, gene, chromosome, virus or bacteria? if sin created these things then sin is God.

We can speculate that this has something to do with bodily imperfection then we have to assume that creation changed after the fall, physically...I do not think there is sufficient merit for such an assumption to be taken literally, though I know people do believe this.


At the root of sin is intent. Without intent there is no sin.

Byb, I am sorry, but could you elaborate please.

That original root of sin obviously comes from Adam and Eve in the garden

Yes, but is sin something which is in our DNA?

[Sam1995]

That original root of sin obviously comes from Adam and Eve in the garden
Yes, but is sin something which is in our DNA?

I don't believe so, it is an issue with your heart and with your soul, it is our soul which is corrupted because of the original fall of man in the garden. Now, that doesn't stop sin being able to have effects on your genetics, but sin does not effect your genetics directly. What I mean by that is this, everything wrong in this world could be originated from sin, and it is a result of the state that this planet is in that we have those poor children born with disabilities or defects, the original,INDIRECT cause is sin but the direct cause of the problem is genetics. This means that sin can effect genetics without actually being a part of genetics.

So no, it's a heart/soul issue, not DNA!

SB

[neo-x]

I don't believe so, it is an issue with your heart and with your soul, it is our soul which is corrupted because of the original fall of man in the garden. Now, that doesn't stop sin being able to have effects on your genetics, but sin does not effect your genetics directly. What I mean by that is this, everything wrong in this world could be originated from sin, and it is a result of the state that this planet is in that we have those poor children born with disabilities or defects, the original,INDIRECT cause is sin but the direct cause of the problem is genetics. This means that sin can effect genetics without actually being a part of genetics.

So no, it's a heart/soul issue, not DNA!

I do not see how sin affect genetics. It has nothing to do with it. Unless God made every human by his own hands, like he did with Adam, disabilities would be logical and natural. So would be diseases. Again, did God made viruses and bacteria? if so what was their purpose before the fall? Could the Garden of Eden be affected by earthquakes? if it existed on this planet, yes it would.

I agree though that it is a matter of choice.

[Sam1995]

I don't believe so, it is an issue with your heart and with your soul, it is our soul which is corrupted because of the original fall of man in the garden. Now, that doesn't stop sin being able to have effects on your genetics, but sin does not effect your genetics directly. What I mean by that is this, everything wrong in this world could be originated from sin, and it is a result of the state that this planet is in that we have those poor children born with disabilities or defects, the original,INDIRECT cause is sin but the direct cause of the problem is genetics. This means that sin can effect genetics without actually being a part of genetics.

So no, it's a heart/soul issue, not DNA!

I do not see how sin affect genetics. It has nothing to do with it. Unless God made every human by his own hands, like he did with Adam, disabilities would be logical and natural. So would be diseases. Again, did God made viruses and bacteria? if so what was their purpose before the fall? Could the Garden of Eden be affected by earthquakes? if it existed on this planet, yes it would.

I agree though that it is a matter of choice.

In terms of sin, I never said that it doesn't affect genetics. It does, but just not directly, you have to establish what I meant by the terms - direct and indirect.
Because of the fall of man, all people are now born into sin. It is a result of sin that the world is not in the state God had originally intended it to be in (the way it was in the garden of eden) in terms of the shape of the planet, where towns and cities are and things like that. A child being born with a disability is due to genetics, genetics are obviously effected by the parents who have the child. I'm not a biologist, so I don't know how a genetic defect happens in scientific terms, but I would take an educated guess that it has something to do with the fact that humans and the environment are not perfect because of sin, therefore sin indirectly effects our genetics.

Viruses and bacteria are a result of nature and the environment, which has been massively affected by man since the fall. Man is negatively effected by sin, and man has a negative effect on the environment. It's a ripple effect caused originally by sin.

SB

[neo-x]

In terms of sin, I never said that it doesn't affect genetics. It does, but just not directly, you have to establish what I meant by the terms - direct and indirect.
Because of the fall of man, all people are now born into sin. It is a result of sin that the world is not in the state God had originally intended it to be in (the way it was in the garden of eden) in terms of the shape of the planet, where towns and cities are and things like that. A child being born with a disability is due to genetics, genetics are obviously effected by the parents who have the child. I'm not a biologist, so I don't know how a genetic defect happens in scientific terms, but I would take an educated guess that it has something to do with the fact that humans and the environment are not perfect because of sin, therefore sin indirectly effects our genetics.

Viruses and bacteria are a result of nature and the environment, which has been massively affected by man since the fall. Man is negatively effected by sin, and man has a negative effect on the environment. It's a ripple effect caused originally by sin.

Most of this common belief but it is far from science.

Please define, what is sin? what do you mean when you say because of sin, "we are not perfect", what changed exactly that affects are genetics?

I'm not a biologist, so I don't know how a genetic defect happens in scientific terms, but I would take an educated guess

I would very much like you to take an educated guess, please have a look at how chromosomes are given to the baby when he is born...you may find the info easily on the internet. How DNA is copied from the parents to the child? It will help you understand better.

[Sam1995]

Think about it, you can link everything that's wrong in the world back to sin, there's no point in me trying to explain, it obviously isn't working. Thin about it for yourself, you will come to the conclusion that sin is the root of all that is evil and wrong in the world.

What is sin? - It's a direct contradiction to God, doing what He would not wan you to do. A transgression against divine law.

SB