God or the multiverse?

[Ukranianlys]

Hello all

Now i am fully aware that this topic has been addressed before, i would like to see a bit more attention given to it
The universe has either been designed by god, or it has been created by a Multiverse that Creates them infintely
I havent been able to find a lasting answer that isnt broken apart by my own thinking, Why cant this multiverse exist? and i just draw a blank
Mabye i am not looking hard enough or mabye im just not thinking the right way, but hopefully some answers or insight from you guys will help me out.

Thanks for your time.

[Danieltwotwenty]

What created the multiverse?

All the multiverse does is push the first cause back a step, it will still require a first un-caused cause (God).


Dan

[Sam1995]

Hello all

Now i am fully aware that this topic has been addressed before, i would like to see a bit more attention given to it
The universe has either been designed by god, or it has been created by a Multiverse that Creates them infintely
I havent been able to find a lasting answer that isnt broken apart by my own thinking, Why cant this multiverse exist? and i just draw a blank
Mabye i am not looking hard enough or mabye im just not thinking the right way, but hopefully some answers or insight from you guys will help me out.

Thanks for your time.

The multi-verse is nothing more than another theory trying to replace the big bang theory because they all knew that didn't work. You don't need to look very hard to see the elements of design in the universe and on earth. Take the evidence which has already been presented and make your decision as to whether or not it has been designed. The multi-verse is an atheistic theory, so you cannot say that God used the multi-verse because the whole idea of the theory is that the multi-verse is everlasting.

SB

[neo-x]

Now i am fully aware that this topic has been addressed before, i would like to see a bit more attention given to it
The universe has either been designed by god, or it has been created by a Multiverse that Creates them infintely
I havent been able to find a lasting answer that isnt broken apart by my own thinking, Why cant this multiverse exist? and i just draw a blank
Mabye i am not looking hard enough or maybe im just not thinking the right way, but hopefully some answers or insight from you guys will help me out.

I think you are asking the wrong question and creating a false dichotomy. The question is not that can God form a universe or the multiverse does. What you have to nail down before you start with this is that how do the laws of physics work and why they don't change? I think a universe can spawn out of particles without the the intervention of God but you would still need the laws of physics to have that happen. You will still need the physics for the multiverse to behave and produce a universe like ours. The laws might change across universes but the will have to be there, they have to predate them and that is where the core of the argument lies.

[Danieltwotwenty]

Hello all

Now i am fully aware that this topic has been addressed before, i would like to see a bit more attention given to it
The universe has either been designed by god, or it has been created by a Multiverse that Creates them infintely
I havent been able to find a lasting answer that isnt broken apart by my own thinking, Why cant this multiverse exist? and i just draw a blank
Mabye i am not looking hard enough or mabye im just not thinking the right way, but hopefully some answers or insight from you guys will help me out.

Thanks for your time.

The multi-verse is nothing more than another theory trying to replace the big bang theory because they all knew that didn't work. You don't need to look very hard to see the elements of design in the universe and on earth. Take the evidence which has already been presented and make your decision as to whether or not it has been designed. The multi-verse is an atheistic theory, so you cannot say that God used the multi-verse because the whole idea of the theory is that the multi-verse is everlasting.

SB

Sam the multiverse can't be everlasting because then it would run into problems like, if it was infinite spewing out infinite amounts of universes then we should never be here because there woud be an infinite amount of universes preceding the creation of ours, if it is infinite with and infinite amount if possible universes then in one universe then would be an all the Omni's God which would be a paradoxical situation like wise if there are infinte universes then in one possible universe the multiverse might not exist creating another paradox.

I highly doubt the multiverse exists and if it does it would only be finnite and not infinite which just pushes the first cause back a step.


Dan

[neo-x]

A question:
What is south of the south pole?

[Kurieuo]

If a multiverse then what supernatural laws allowed our universe to spawn into existence - where did these laws come from?

Atheists may explain with their own supernatural naturalistic story where our universe came from, but 1) there is no evidence as we might expect if all/part of our physical laws came from another universe, and 2) they ignore the more glaring problem of where the overarching laws in a multiverse that would need to hold true in our universe came from.

[Sam1995]

Hello all

Now i am fully aware that this topic has been addressed before, i would like to see a bit more attention given to it
The universe has either been designed by god, or it has been created by a Multiverse that Creates them infintely
I havent been able to find a lasting answer that isnt broken apart by my own thinking, Why cant this multiverse exist? and i just draw a blank
Mabye i am not looking hard enough or mabye im just not thinking the right way, but hopefully some answers or insight from you guys will help me out.

Thanks for your time.

The multi-verse is nothing more than another theory trying to replace the big bang theory because they all knew that didn't work. You don't need to look very hard to see the elements of design in the universe and on earth. Take the evidence which has already been presented and make your decision as to whether or not it has been designed. The multi-verse is an atheistic theory, so you cannot say that God used the multi-verse because the whole idea of the theory is that the multi-verse is everlasting.

SB

Sam the multiverse can't be everlasting because then it would run into problems like, if it was infinite spewing out infinite amounts of universes then we should never be here because there woud be an infinite amount of universes preceding the creation of ours, if it is infinite with and infinite amount if possible universes then in one universe then would be an all the Omni's God which would be a paradoxical situation like wise if there are infinte universes then in one possible universe the multiverse might not exist creating another paradox.

I highly doubt the multiverse exists and if it does it would only be finnite and not infinite which just pushes the first cause back a step.


Dan

That doesn't appear to be the case though. As far as my knowledge can recall anyway, the idea behind the multi-verse theory is that there was never a beginning to the universe, that it has simply always existed in two basic forms, positive and negative energy. I don't see any logical pathway which connects the multi-verse and God, because withing the multi-verse theory, the explanation is supurfluous to God, He would no longer be needed when explaning the origins of the universe, which would then completely contradict the book of Genesis.

I don't see it as a paradoxical theory however, if there are an infinite number of universes and dimensions then there is still a chance of life and this particular universe coming into existence in the way that it has done. Although in agreement with you, I very much doubt any real truth behind the theory, mainly on the basis that, put simply, "In the beginning, God."

SB

[Byblos]

That doesn't appear to be the case though. As far as my knowledge can recall anyway, the idea behind the multi-verse theory is that there was never a beginning to the universe, that it has simply always existed in two basic forms, positive and negative energy. I don't see any logical pathway which connects the multi-verse and God, because withing the multi-verse theory, the explanation is supurfluous to God, He would no longer be needed when explaning the origins of the universe, which would then completely contradict the book of Genesis.

I don't see it as a paradoxical theory however, if there are an infinite number of universes and dimensions then there is still a chance of life and this particular universe coming into existence in the way that it has done. Although in agreement with you, I very much doubt any real truth behind the theory, mainly on the basis that, put simply, "In the beginning, God."

That's not the case at all. Even if multiverse were to be true it doesn't invalidate the need for a first mover, it just pushes it a step further (back). Besides, the anthropic principle coupled with the laws of entropy make it highly, highly unlikely that a multiverse exists.

[PaulSacramento]

The multi-universe is just another version of multiple dimensions and the theory can actually give weight to God existing because there is nothing to say that in One of those universes/dimensions there exists a being of infinite power than can be the creator of THIS universe.

[Sam1995]

The multi-universe is just another version of multiple dimensions and the theory can actually give weight to God existing because there is nothing to say that in One of those universes/dimensions there exists a being of infinite power than can be the creator of THIS universe.

True, but through the theory science is trying to figure out whether or not the universe even had a beginning.

That's not the case at all. Even if multiverse were to be true it doesn't invalidate the need for a first mover, it just pushes it a step further (back). Besides, the anthropic principle coupled with the laws of entropy make it highly, highly unlikely that a multiverse exists.

I'll stand corrected, you are totally correct! It does push it further back, but in this case to an extent in which one could believe the theory and thus conclude there is no need for God as there was no beginning. Yes, although the thought of other dimensions could give way to God's existence, it appears to be a bit of a weak argument. However it is extremely unlikely that it is true as you say.

SB

[PaulSacramento]

True, but through the theory science is trying to figure out whether or not the universe even had a beginning.

Evidence shows that the universe is expanding which means that it had a start, now that doesn't mean a start from nothing mind you BUT it does mean that it wasn't always the way it is, which means SOMETHING had to have acted upon it to make it expand.

[Philip]

Evidence that the universe had a beginning, as per the Big Bang: substantial scientific data validates it.

The muliti-verse theory - is just that - rampant speculation without the data to support it. Truly, it's one more theory that atheists cling to, as the Big Bang beginning has too obvious a theological implication. And yes, the multi-verse simply kicks the can further back up the cosmic road, with things existing eternally without a beginning or mover.

[Sam1995]

True, but through the theory science is trying to figure out whether or not the universe even had a beginning.

Evidence shows that the universe is expanding which means that it had a start, now that doesn't mean a start from nothing mind you BUT it does mean that it wasn't always the way it is, which means SOMETHING had to have acted upon it to make it expand.

Ah, ok, I see my error here!
If there wasn't a start from nothing? Then how would an omnipotent God come into the equation?

SB

[PaulSacramento]

True, but through the theory science is trying to figure out whether or not the universe even had a beginning.

Evidence shows that the universe is expanding which means that it had a start, now that doesn't mean a start from nothing mind you BUT it does mean that it wasn't always the way it is, which means SOMETHING had to have acted upon it to make it expand.

Ah, ok, I see my error here!
If there wasn't a start from nothing? Then how would an omnipotent God come into the equation?

SB

If there was SOMETHING in existence already ( the postulated quantum singularity that some suggest), then SOMETHING had to exert "influence" on it to cause it to expand.
Energy just doesn't change without some outside force acting upon it.