The Law

[jlay]

G,
Are you claiming that 1 Peter 1:13-17, James 1:21, Hebrews 10:26, Hebrews 12:14-15 are ways to be saved? Are you claiming these are how to follow the law? are you claiming that you are holy because you....(fill in the blank.) Or, are you claiming that following the law is how to renew your mind?

Regarding Romans 6:1-2. The context of this is Paul answering an objection that might arise after reading the preceeding verses.

I believe I just answered this in Rick's message. If not, let me know..

I would say no. Taking James for example. You conflate works to following the law, as you follow it. Yet Paul says, that He has prepared good works for us to walk in. And Jesus when asked, "what are the works of God we are to do," answered John 6:29.

[Gman]

[G, if what you mean by "G-d's laws" is loving God, and one's neighbor, then I completely 100% agree, and say a big !!!

But if by "G-d's laws" you mean OT laws like obeying the Jewish Sabbath laws, and abstaining from eating certain foods, then I disagree 100%, and say a big .

If you would see the love behind G-d's laws, you wouldn't say that amigo... It's actually freedom...

Psalm 119:44-45 I will always obey your law, for ever and ever. 45 I will walk about in freedom, for I have sought out your precepts.
James 1:25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.

And G-d's laws are not burdensome either. As an example, is taking a day off of work a burden? I would hope not...

1 John 5:3-4, “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.”

And when we walk in G-d's ways they promote unity in the body of Christ.. That would be my guess.. UNITY!

Ephesians 3:6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

I couldn't agree more!!!

Shalom brother...

[Gman]

I would say no. Taking James for example. You conflate works to following the law, as you follow it. Yet Paul says, that He has prepared good works for us to walk in. And Jesus when asked, "what are the works of God we are to do," answered John 6:29.

That "You believe in Him whom He has sent?" So if we believe in Him, we would want to follow His commandments. Now go up to John chapter 7 and 14.

John 7:19 “Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?”
John 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commands;
John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me, and the one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

Are you aware that Christ gave us His law on Mt. Sinai? Col 1:16, John 1:3,10,14

[RickD]

Gman wrote:
So if we believe in Him, we would want to follow His commandments

Well, here you go Gman. You had better get busy. If you want to show God that you really love Him, these may take a while. Remember what you said before that God's laws are not a burden. Here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is:

Mandatory Commandments.
1. To know that the Lord God exists. Ex. xx. 2.
2. To acknowledge His unity. Deut. vi. 4.
3-4. To love and fear Him. Deut. vi. 5, 13.
5. To pray to Him. Ex. xxiii. 25.
6. To cleave to Him. Deut. x. 20.
7. To swear by His name. Deut. vi. 13, x. 20.
8. To resemble Him in His ways. Deut. xxviii. 9.
9. To sanctify His name. Lev. xxii. 32.
10. To read the Shema' each morning and evening. Deut. vi. 7.
11. To learn and to teach others the Law. Deut. vi. 7.
12-13. To bind tefillin on the forehead and arm. Deut. vi. 8.
14. To make ẓiẓit. Num. xv. 38.
15. To fix a Mezuzah. Deut. vi. 9.
16. To assemble the people to hear the Law every seventh year. Deut. xxxi. 12.
17. To write a copy of the Law for oneself. Deut. xxxi. 19.
18. That the king write a special copy of the Law for himself. Deut. xvii. 18.
19. To bless God after eating. Deut. viii. 10.
20. To build the Temple. Ex. xxv. 8.
21. To reverence the sanctuary. Lev. xix. 30.
22. To watch the sanctuary perpetually. Num. xviii. 2.
23. That Levites shall serve in the sanctuary. Num. xviii. 23.
24. That at services the priests wash their hands and feet. Ex. xxx. 19.
25. That the priests kindle the lights in the sanctuary. Ex. xxx. 19.
26. That the priests bless Israel. Num. vi. 23.
27. To set showbread and incense before the Lord on Sabbath. Ex. xxv. 30.
28. To burn incense twice each day. Ex. xxx. 7.
29. To keep fire continually upon the altar. Lev. vi. 13.
30. To remove the ashes daily from the altar. Lev. vi. 10.
31. To put the impure out of the holy place. Num. v. 2.
32. That the Aaronites have the place of honor. Lev. xxi. 8.
33. To clothe the Aaronites with priestly garments. Ex. xxviii. 2.
34. That the Kehathites carry the Ark upon their shoulders. Num. vii. 9.
35. To anoint high priests and kings with oil. Ex. xxx. 31.
36. That the priests officiate by turns. Deut. xviii. 6, 8.
37. That the priests pay due honors to the dead. Lev. xxi. 3.
38. That the high priest take a virgin to wife. Lev. xxi. 13.
39. To sacrifice twice a day. Num. xxviii. 3.
40. That the chief priest offer an oblation daily. Lev. vi. 20.
41-3. To offer an additional oblation every Sabbath, on the first of every month, and on the Feast of Passover. Num. xxviii. 9, xxviii. 11; Lev. xxiii. 36.
44. To offer a sheaf of the first barley on the second day of Passover. Lev. xxiii. 10.
45. To add an oblation on the day of the Feast of Shebu'ot. Num. xxviii. 26.
46. To offer two loaves of bread on Shebu'ot. Lev. xxiii. 17.
47. To add an offering on the first of Tishri. Num. xxix. 1.
48. To add an offering on the Day of Atonement. Num. xxix. 7.
49. To observe the service on the Day of Atonement. Lev. xvi. 3.
50. To add an offering on the Feast of Sukkot. Num. xxix. 13.
51. To offer a special sacrifice on the eighth day of Sukkot. Num. xxix. 35.
52. To keep the festival at the three seasons of the year. Ex. xxiii. 14.
53. That every male appear at the feast. Deut. xvi. 16.
54. To rejoice at the feasts. Deut. xvi. 14.
55-6. To slay the paschal lamb and eat the flesh roasted, on the fifteenth night of Nisan. Ex. xii. 6, xii. 8.
57-8. To observe the second Passover and eat the paschal lamb with maẓẓah and maror. Num. ix. 11, 13; ix. 11.
59. To blow the trumpets over the sacrifices, and in time of tribulation. Num. x. 10.
60. That cattle, when sacrificed, be eight days old or more. Lev. xxii. 27.
61. That all cattle sacrificed be perfect. Lev. xxii. 21.
62. That all offerings be salted. Lev. ii. 13.
63. To bring a burnt offering. Lev. i. 3.
64-7. To bring a sacrifice for sin, for trespass, a peace-offering, and a meat-offering. Lev. ii. 1, vi. 25, vii. 1, 11.
68. That the Sanhedrin bring a sin-offering if they have erred in doctrine. Lev. iv. 13.
69. That one who has by error transgressed a Karet prohibition bring a sin-offering. Lev. iv. 27, v. 1.
70. That one in doubt whether he has transgressed a prohibition bring a sin-offering. Lev. v. 17, 18.
71. That a trespass-offering be brought for having sworn falsely and the like. Lev. v. 15, 21; xix. 20.
72. To offer a sacrifice according to one's means. Lev. v. 7, 11.
73. That confession of sins be made before the Lord. Num. v. 7.
74-5. That a man or woman having an issue offer a sacrifice. Lev. xv. 13, 28.
76. That a leper after being cleansed bring an offering. Lev. xiv. 10.
77. That a woman offer a sacrifice after childbirth. Lev. xii. 6.
78. To tithe the cattle. Lev. xxvii. 32.
79. To sacrifice the first-born of clean cattle. Deut. xv. 19.
80. To redeem the first-born of man. Num. xviii. 15.
81-2. To redeem the firstling of an ass, and to break its neck if the animal be not redeemed. Ex. xiii. 13.
83. To bring all offerings to Jerusalem. Deut. xii. 5, 6.
84. To offer all sacrifices in the Temple. Deut. xii. 14.
85. To bring to the Temple also the offerings from beyond the land of Israel. Deut. xii. 26.
86. To redeem holy animals that have blemishes. Deut. xii. 15.
87. That a beast exchanged for an offering is holy. Lev. xxvii. 10.
88. That the remainder of the meat-offerings be eaten. Lev. vi. 16.
89. That the flesh of sin-and trespass-offerings be eaten. Ex. xxix. 33.
90-1. To burn consecrated flesh that has become unclean; also the remainder of the consecrated flesh not eaten. Lev. vii. 17, 19.
92-3. That the Nazarite suffer his hair to grow during his separation, and shave it at the close of his Nazariteship. Num. vi. 5, 9.
94. That a man keep his vow. Deut. xxiii. 23.
95. That the judge act according to the Law in annulling vows. Num. xxx. 3.
96. That all who touch a carcass are unclean. Lev. xi. 34.
97. That eight species of animals contaminate. Lev. xi. 39.
98. That food is contaminated by contact with unclean things. Lev. xi. 34.
99. That a menstruous woman contaminates. Lev. xv. 19.
100. That a lying-in woman is unclean. Lev. xii. 2.
101. That a leper is unclean and contaminates others. Lev. xiii. 3.
102-3. That a leprous garment and a leprous house contaminate. Lev. xiii. 47, xiv. 35.
104-6. That a man or woman having a running issue contaminates, as does the seed of copulation. Lev. xv. 2, 16, 28.
107. That a corpse contaminates. Num. xix. 14.
108. That the water of separation contaminates the clean, cleansing only the unclean from the pollution of the dead. Num. xix. 26.
109. To cleanse from uncleanness by washing in running water. Lev. xv. 16.
110-12. That leprosy be cleansed with cedar-wood, etc.; that the leper shave all his hair, rend his raiment, and bare his head. Lev. xiii. 45; xiv. 2, 9.
113. To burn a red heifer and preserve its ashes. Num. xix. 9.
114. To pay the equivalent of a "singular" vow. Lev. xxvii. 2.
115-7. That one who vows an unclean beast, or his house, or his field, shall pay the appointed sum, or as the priest shall direct. Lev. xxvii. 11, 14, 16.
118. That he shall make restitution who trespasses through ignorance in things holy. Lev. v. 16.
119. That plantations in their fourth year shall be holy. Lev. xix. 24.
120-4. To leave to the poor the corners of the field unreaped, the gleanings of the harvest, the forgotten sheaf, the gleanings in the vineyard, and the residue of the grapes. Lev. xix. 9, 10; Deut. xxiv. 19.
125. To bring the first-fruits into the sanctuary. Ex. xxiii. 19.
126. To give the great heave-offering to the priest. Deut. xviii. 4.
127. To separate the tithe of corn for the Levites. Num. xviii. 24; Lev. xxvii. 30.
128. To separate a second tithe and eat it in Jerusalem. Deut. xiv. 22.
129. That the Levites shall give a tithe of the tithe to the priest. Num. xviii. 26.
130. To separate the tithe for the poor in the third and sixth years instead of in the second. Deut. xiv. 28.
131-2. To recite the chapter on the tithe and read it over the first-fruit. Deut. xxvi. 5, 13.
133. To separate for the priest a cake of the first of the dough. Num. xv. 20.
134-5. To let the field rest fallow every seventh year, and to cease from tilling the ground. Ex. xxiii. 11, xxxiv. 21.
136-8. To hallow the year of jubilee by resting, to sound the trumpet in the year of jubilee, and to grant a redemption for the land in that year. Lev. xxv. 9, 10, 24.
139. To allow a house sold in a walled city to be redeemed within the year. Lev. xxv. 29.
140. To number the years of jubilee yearly and septennially. Lev. xxv. 8.
141. To release all debts in the seventh year. Deut. xv. 2.
142. To exact the debt of a foreigner. Deut. xv. 3.
143. To give to the priest his share of the cattle sacrifices. Deut. xviii. 3.
144. To give the first of the fleece to the priest. Deut. xviii. 4.
145. To discriminate between what belongs to the Lord and what to the priest. Lev. xxvii. 21, 28.
146. To perform the right mode of slaughtering beasts. Deut. xii. 23.
147. To cover the blood of wild beast and bird. Lev. xvii. 13.
148. To set free the parent bird when taking a nest. Deut. xxii. 7.
149-52. To search diligently for the marks in clean beasts, fowl, locusts, and fish. Lev. xi. 2; Deut. xiv. 11; Lev. xi. 9.
153. That the Sanhedrin sanctify the new moon and reckon the years and months. Ex. xii. 2.
154-5. To rest on and hallow the Sabbath. Ex. xx. 8 and xxiii. 12.
156. To remove the leaven. Ex. xii. 15.
157-8. To relate the story of the Exodus and to eat unleavened bread on Passover night. Ex. xii. 18, xiii. 8.
159-60. To rest on the first and seventh days of Passover. Ex. xii. 16.
161. To reckon forty-nine days from the time of the cutting of the first sheaf. Lev. xxiii. 15.
162-3. To rest on Shebu'ot and on the first day of Tishri. Lev. xxiii. 24.
164-5. To fast and rest on the Day of Atonement. Lev. xvi. 29, xxiii. 32.
166-7. To rest on the first and eighth days of Sukkot. Lev. xxiii. 35, 36.
168. To dwell in booths seven days. Lev. xxiii. 42.
169. To take the four kinds of branches of trees. Lev. xxiii. 40.
170. To hear the sound of the trumpet on the first of Tishri. Num. xxix. 1.
171. To give half a shekel each year as ransom. Ex. xxx. 13.
172. To obey the prophet of each generation if he neither adds nor takes away from the statutes. Deut. xviii. 15.
173. To appoint a king. Deut. xviii. 15.
174. To obey the authority of the Sanhedrin. Deut. xvii. 11.
175. To yield to the majority in case of division. Ex. xxiii. 2.
176. To appoint judges in every town. Deut. xvi. 18.
177. To administer judgment impartially. Lev. xix. 15.
178. That whoever possesses evidence shall testify in court. Lev. v. 1.
179. To examine witnesses diligently. Deut. xiii. 14.
180. To do unto false witnesses as they themselves designed to do unto others. Deut. xix. 19.
181. To decapitate the heifer as commanded. Deut. xxi. 4.
182. To establish six cities of refuge. Deut. xix. 3.
183. To give cities to the Levites for habitations. Num. xxxv. 2.
184. To make battlements on the housetops. Deut. xxii. 8.
185-6. To destroy idolaters and to burn their city. Deut. xii. 2, xiii. 16.
187. To destroy the seven Canaanite nations. Deut. xx. 17.
188-9. To blot out the remembrance of Amalek. Deut. xxv. 17, 19.
190. To observe a certain procedure in voluntary battle. Deut. xx. 10.
191. To anoint the priest for war. Deut. xx. 2.
192-3. To keep the camp pure and in a sanitary condition. Deut. xxiii. 12, 13.
194. To restore plunder. Lev. vi. 4.
195. To give alms. Deut. xv. 8, 11.
196. To give liberal gifts to a freed Hebrew servant. Deut. xv. 14.
197. To lend to the poor. Deut. xv. 8.
198. To lend on usury to idolaters. Deut. xxiii. 21.
199. To restore a pledge to its owner. Deut. xxiv. 13.
200-1. To pay a hireling his hire when due, and to permit him to eat during work. Deut. xxiv. 15, 24, 25.
202-3. To help a neighbor's beast. Ex. xxiii. 5; and Deut. xxii. 4.
204. To restore lost property. Deut. xx. 1.
205. To rebuke the sinner. Lev. xix. 17.
206. To love the children of the covenant. Lev. xix. 18.
207. To love the stranger. Deut. x. 19.
208. To have just balances and weights. Lev. xix. 36.
209. To honor the wise. Lev. xix. 32.
210. To honor parents. Ex. xx. 12.
211. To fear parents. Lev. xix. 3.
212. To perpetuate the human species by marriage. Gen. i. 28.
213. To lead a pure married life. Deut. xxiv. 5.
214. That the bridegroom rejoice for a year with his wife. Deut. xxiv. 1.
215. To circumcise the males. Gen. xvii. 10; Lev. xii. 3.
216-7. To marry the wife of a deceased brother, and give ḤALIZAH in case of declining to do so. Deut. xxv. 5, 9.
218-9. That the violator of a virgin shall marry her, and he may not put her away all his days. Deut. xxii. 29.
220. That the seducer pay a penalty. Ex. xxii. 16.
221. That beautiful female captives must not be sold, etc. Deut. xxi. 11.
222. To divorce by a written contract. Deut. xxiv. 1.
223. That the suspected adulteress be subjected to trial of jealousy. Num. v. 30.
224. To beat the wicked. Deut. xxv. 2.
225. To exile the homicide through ignorance. Num. xxxv. 25.
226-30. That executions be effected by means of the sword, strangling, fire, stoning, and hanging. Ex. xxi. 20; Lev. xx. 14; Deut. xxi. 22, xxii. 24.
231. To bury on the same day one put to death. Deut. xxi. 23.
232. To deal with a Hebrew servant according to the Law. Ex. xxi. 2.
233-4. To redeem a betrothed Hebrew maid servant. Ex. xxi. 8.
235. To make the non-Hebrew slave serve for ever. Lev. xxv. 46.
236. That he who wounds another pay a fine. Ex. xxi. 18.
237-8. To judge of injuries to a beast by a pitfall. Ex. xxi. 33.
239. To punish the thief with death or to compel him to make restitution. Ex. xxi. 16, xxii. 1.
240-2. To give judgment in cases of trespass by cattle, of injuries by fire, or of robbery of money or goods left in charge of an unpaid keeper. Ex. xxii. 5-7.
243-4. To judge as to the injuries caused by the hireling or by the borrower. Ex. xxii. 10, 14.
245-6. To judge in disputes between buyer and seller or between plaintiff and defendant. Lev. xxv. 14; Ex. xxii. 9.
247. To rescue the persecuted, even at the cost of the life of the oppressor. Deut. xxv. 12.
248. To judge in disputes concerning inheritances. Num. xxvii. 8.
Prohibitive Commandments.
1. Belief in the existence of any but the one God. Ex. xx. 3.
2-4. The making of images. Ex. xx. 3, 4; xxxiv. 17.
5-6. The worship of stars and planets. Ex. xx. 5.
7. The sacrifice of children to Moloch. Lev. xviii. 21.
8-9. Necromancy and familiar spirits. Lev. xix. 31.
10. Showing regard for the service of the stars and planets. Lev. xix. 4.
11. The erection of pillars. Lev. xxvi. 1.
12. The erection of pillars of stone. Lev. xxvi. 1.
13. Planting of trees in the sanctuary. Deut. xvi. 21.
14-16. Swearing by idols, or leading any Israelite toward idolatry. Ex. xxiii. 13; Deut. xiii. 11.
17-19. To show mercy to the seducer. Deut. xiii. 8.
20-21. Defense or concealment of the seducer by the seduced. Deut. xiii. 8.
22. The use of ornaments of idols. Deut. vii. 25.
23-4. To rebuild a city destroyed on account of its idolatry or to use its wealth. Deut. xiii. 16, 17.
25. The use of things belonging to idols or idolaters, or of the provisions and libations offered to idols. Deut. vii. 26.
26. Prophesying in the name of idols. Deut. xviii. 20.
27. False prophecies. Deut. xviii. 20.
28. Listening to prophecies in the name of idols. Deut. xiii. 3.
29. Fear of a false prophet or hindering any one from killing him. Deut. xviii. 22.
30. Walking in the manner of the idolaters, and practising their rites. Lev. xx. 23.
31-8. Enchantment, augury, and consultation of familiar spirits, etc. Lev. xix. 26; Deut. xviii. 10, 11.
39-40. The use of male attire by women, and vice versa. Deut. xxii. 5.
41. Tattooing the body after the manner of idolaters. Lev. xix. 28.
42. The use of garments made of both linen and wool. "Sha-'aá¹­nez," Deut. xxii. 11.
43-4. Rounding "the corners of the head" or of the beard. Lev. xix. 27.
45. Lacerating oneself for the dead. Deut. xiv. 1.
46. To return to Egypt to dwell permanently there. Deut. xvii. 16.
47. Indulgence in impure thoughts and sights. Num. xv. 39.
48-9. Covenanting with, and preservation of, the seven nations. Ex. xxiii. 32.
50-2. To show mercy to or to intermarry with idolaters or to allow them to dwell in the land. Ex. xxiii. 33; and Deut. vii. 2, 3.
53. The marriage of a daughter of Israel with an Ammonite or Moabite. Deut. xxiii. 3.
54-5. To refuse admission to the congregation to a descendant of Esau or to an Egyptian after the third generation. Deut. xxiii. 7.
56. To offer peace to the Ammonites and Moabites in time of war. Deut. xxiii. 6.
57. The destruction of fruit-trees in time of war. Deut. xx. 19.
58. Fear of the enemy by warriors. Deut. iii. 22, vii. 21, xx. 3.
59. To forget the evil wrought by Amalek. Deut. xxv. 19.
60. Blasphemy of the Holy Name. Ex. xxii. 28.
61. To violate an oath, however rash. Lev. xix. 12.
62. Taking the name of the Lord in vain. Ex. xx. 7.
63. Profaning the name of the Holy One. Lev. xxii. 32.
64. To tempt the Lord. Deut. vi. 16.
65. Destruction of the sanctuary, synagogues, or schools, and erasure of the Holy Name and Holy Writings. Deut. xii. 2, 4.
66. To suffer the body of one hanged to remain on the tree. Dent. xxi. 23.
67. To cease watching the sanctuary. Num. xviii. 5.
68-71. The entrance of the priests into the sanctuary at certain times; priests with a blemish may not go beyond the altar nor serve in the sanctuary. Lev. xvi. 2, 23; xxi. 17, 21.
72. The ministry of Levites in the service of priests, and vice versa. Num. xviii. 3.
73. The entrance of intoxicated persons into the sanctuary, and the teaching of the Law by the same. Lev. x. 9.
74-6. Service in the sanctuary by strangers or by unclean priests, etc. Lev. xxii. 2; Num. xviii. 4.
77-8. Entrance into the court or the camp of the Levites by unclean priests. Num. v. 3; Deut. xxiii. 10.
79. The erection of an altar of hewn stone. Ex. xx. 25.
80. Ascension by steps to the altar. Ex. xx. 26.
81. To burn incense, or to offer it on the golden altar. Ex. xxx. 9.
82. To extinguish the fire on the altar. Lev. vi. 13.
83-5. Misuse of the holy oil, the anointing oil, or the holy incense. Ex. xxx. 32, 37.
86. Removal of the staves from the ark. Ex. xxv. 15.
87-8. To loosen the breastplate from the ephod or to tear the upper garment. Ex. xxviii. 32.
89-90. The killing and offering of sacrifices without the Temple. Deut. xii. 13; Lev. xvii. 3, 4.
91-5. The sanctification and use of blemished things for sacrifice. Lev. xxii. 22, 24; Deut. xvii. 1.
96. The offering of blemished animals from Gentiles. Lev. xxii. 25.
97. The offering of imperfect animals in sacrifice. Lev. xxii. 21.
98-100. To offer in sacrifice leaven or honey, an unsalted oblation, the hire of a harlot, or the price of a dog. Lev. ii. 11, 13; Deut. xxiii. 18.
101. To kill an animal and its young on the same day. Lev. xxii. 28.
102-5. The use of olive-oil or frankincense in the sin-offering or the jealousy-offering. Lev. v. 11; Num. v. 15.
106-7. To exchange sacrifices. Lev. xvii. 26, xxvii. 10.
108. The redemption of the first-born of clean cattle. Num. xviii. 17.
109. The sale of the tithe of the herd. Lev. xxvii. 33.
110-11. The sale or redemption of a dedicated field. Lev. xxvii. 28.
112. The division of the head of the bird in a sin-offering. Lev. v. 3.
113-4. Working with or shearing the first-born. Deut. xv. 19.
115-7. To kill the paschal lamb while there is leaven, or leave its fat or any part of its flesh over night. Ex. xii. 10, xxiii. 18.
118. To leave any of the festal offering until the third day. Deut. xvi. 4.
119. To leave part of the second Passover lamb until the morning. Num. ix. 12.
120. The preservation of any part of the thank-offering until the morning. Ex. xii. 10.
121-2. To break a bone of the paschal lamb or of the second Passover lamb. Ex. xii. 46; Num. ix. 12.
123. To carry of the flesh of Passover out of the house. Ex. xii. 46.
124. To allow the remnants of the meat-offering to become leavened. Lev. vi. 17.
125-8. To eat the paschal lamb raw or sodden, or to allow it to be eaten by a foreigner, by one uncircumcised, or by an apostate Israelite. Ex. xii. 9, 43, 45, 48.
129-32. An unclean person may not eat of holy things, nor of holy things polluted; nor of that which is left of sacrifices; nor of sacrifices which are polluted. Lev. vii. 18, 19, 20; xix. 8.
133-6. A stranger may not eat of the heave-offering, nor a sojourner with the priest, nor an hired servant, nor an uncircumcised person, nor an unclean priest. Lev. xxii. 4, 10.
137. A priest's daughter married to a stranger may not eat of the holy things. Lev. xxii. 12.
138-40. To eat the meat-offering of the priest, or the flesh of the sin-offering, or holy things which have been defiled. Lev. vi. 23, 30; Deut. xiv. 3.
141-4. To eat the second tithe of corn, or of the vintage, or of the oil, or the pure firstling without Jerusalem. Deut. xii. 17.
145-7. The consumption by the priest outside the courts of the sinor trespass-offering, of the flesh of the burnt offering, or of lighter sacrifices before the blood has been sprinkled. Deut. xii. 17.
148. A stranger may not eat of the flesh of the most holy things. Ex. xxix. 33.
149. The priest may not eat of the first-fruits before they are brought into the court. Deut. xii. 17.
150-1. To eat the second tithe in mourning or in impurity, even in Jerusalem, until it be redeemed. Deut. xxvi. 14.
152. Use of the money of the second tithe except for eating or drinking. Deut. xxvi. 14.
153. Eating the corn before the heave-offerings and tithes have been separated. Lev. xxii. 15.
154. Changing the order regarding the wave-offering, the first-fruits, and the first and second tithes. Ex. xxii. 29.
155. The delay of vows and free-will offerings. Deut. xxiii. 21.
156. Attendance at the feast without an offering. Ex. xxiii. 15.
157. The violation of vows. Num. xxx. 2.
158-60. The marriage of a priest with a harlot, a "profane" woman ("ḥalalah"), or a divorcee. Lev. xxi. 7.
161-2. The marriage of a high priest with a widow, nor may he take her as his concubine. Lev. xxi. 14.
163-4. Priests may not enter the sanctuary with uncovered head or with torn garments. Lev. x. 6.
165. Priests may not leave the court during service. Lev. x. 7.
166-8. The pollution of priests and of the high priest. Lev. xxi. 1, 11.
169-70. The participation of the tribe of Levi in the holy land and in the spoils. Deut. xviii. 1.
171. To make oneself bald for the dead. Deut. xiv. 1.
172-9. The eating of unclean cattle, unclean fish, unclean fowl, creeping things that fly, things that creep upon the earth, or reptiles ("remesh"), etc. Lev. xi. 4, 13, 42-44; Deut. xiv. 19.
180-2. The eating of beasts in a dying condition, or torn animals ("á¹­erefah"), or a member of a living animal. Ex. xxii. 31; Deut. xii. 21, 23.
183-5. The eating of the sinew which shrank, of blood, or of fat. Gen. xxxii. 32; Lev. vii. 23, 26.
186-7. The boiling of flesh in milk and the eating of flesh with milk. Ex. xxiii. 19, xxxiv. 26; Deut. xiv. 21.
188. The eating of the flesh of an ox that has been stoned. Ex. xxi. 28.
189-91. The eating of bread made of the new corn, or roasted grain, or green ears of the new corn, before the Passover offering has been brought. Lev. xxiii. 14.
192. The use of the fruit of a young tree before the fourth year. Lev. xix. 23.
193. The eating of mixed seeds of the vineyard. Deut. xxii. 9.
194. The use of libations to idols. Deut. xxxii. 38.
195. Gluttony and drunkenness. Deut. xxi. 20; Lev. xix. 26.
196. Eating on the Day of Atonement. Lev. xxiii. 29.
197-9. The eating of anything leavened on Passover, or of leavened bread after the middle of the fourteenth day. Ex. xii. 20; Deut. xiii. 3, xvi. 3.
200-1. The exposure of leaven and leavened bread. Ex. xiii. 7, 19.
202-6. A Nazarite may not drink wine or any liquor made from grapes, nor may he eat grapes or any part thereof. Num. vi. 3-5.
207-9. A Nazarite may not pollute himself for the dead, nor enter into the tent of the dead, nor shall he shave his hair. Num. vi. 5-7.
210-4. To reap the whole of the field, to gather the fallen ears of corn in harvest, to cut off all the clusters of the vineyard, to gather every grape of the vineyard, or to return to take a forgotten handful. Lev. xix. 9-10; Deut. xxiv. 19, 20.
215-6. The sowing of different kinds of seed together, or of corn and herbs in a vineyard. Lev. xix. 19; Deut. xxii. 9.
217. The gendering of cattle with those of diverse species. Lev. xix. 19.
218. The use of two different kinds of cattle together. Deut. xxii. 10.
219. The prevention of an animal working in the field from eating. Deut. xxv. 4.
220-3. To till the ground, to prune trees, to reap spontaneously grown corn, or to gather the fruit of trees, in the seventh year. Lev. xxv. 4-5.
224-6. To till the earth, to prune trees, to reap what grows spontaneously, or to gather fruit, in the jubilee year. Lev. xxv. 11.
227. The permanent sale of a field in the land of Israel. Lev. xxv. 23.
228. To change the suburbs of the Levites or their fields. Lev. xxv. 34.
229. To leave the Levite without support. Deut. xii. 19.
230. To demand the amount of a debt after the lapse of the seventh year. Deut. xv. 2.
231. To refuse to lend to the poor on account of the release year. Deut. xv. 9.
232. To refuse to lend to the poor the things which he requires. Deut. xv. 7.
233. Sending a Hebrew slave away empty-handed. Deut. xv. 13.
234. Exaction with regard to loans to the poor. Ex. xxii. 25.
235-6. Loans to or by an Israelite upon usury. Lev. xxv. 37.
237. Usury, or participation therein either as surety, witness, or writer of contracts. Ex. xxii. 25; Deut. xxiii. 19.
238. Delay in the payment of wages. Lev. xix. 13.
239-42. The exaction of a pledge from a debtor by violence; the retention of a pledge from the poor when he requires it; the receipt of a pledge from a widow, and the exaction of a pledge when it is such that one obtains by it a living. Deut. xxiv. 6, 10, 17.
243. To kidnap a man of Israel. Ex. xx. 15.
244. To steal. Lev. xix. 11.
245. To rob by violence. Lev. xix. 13.
246. To remove the landmark. Deut. xix. 14.
247. To defraud. Lev. xix. 13.
248. To defraud one's neighbor. Lev. xix. 11.
249. To swear falsely with regard to a neighbor's property. Lev. xix. 11.
250. To injure any one in bargaining. Lev. xxv. 14.
251-3. To oppress or injure any one. Ex. xxii. 21; Lev. xxv. 17.
254-5. To deliver a fugitive slave to his master, or to vex him. Deut. xxiii. 15, 16.
256. To afflict the widow and orphan. Ex. xxii. 22.
257-9. To use a Hebrew servant as a slave, to sell him as a bondman, or to treat him cruelly. Lev. xxv. 39, 42-43.
260. To permit a heathen to treat a Hebrew servant cruelly. Lev. xxv. 53.
261. To sell a Hebrew maid servant. Ex. xxi. 8.
262. To withhold from a betrothed Hebrew slave food, raiment, or conjugal rights. Ex. xxi. 10.
263. To sell as a slave a beautiful captive. Deut. xxi. 14.
264. To humble a beautiful woman. Deut. xxi. 14.
265. To covet a man's wife. Ex. xx. 17.
266. Covetousness. Deut. v. 21.
267-8. A hireling may not cut down standing corn during his labor, nor take more fruit than he can eat. Deut. xxiii. 24.
269. To hide when a thing lost is to be returned to the owner. Deut. xxii. 3.
270. To refrain from helping an animal fallen under its burden. Deut. xxii. 4.
271-2. Fraud in weights and measures. Lev. xix. 35; Deut. xxv. 13, 14.
273. Unrighteousness in judgment. Lev. xix. 35.
274. The acceptance of bribes. Ex. xxiii. 8.
275-6. Partiality or fear in a judge. Lev. xix. 15; Deut. i. 17.
277. To pity the poor in judgment. Ex. xxiii. 3.
278. To pervert the judgment of a sinner. Ex. xxiii. 6.
279. To spare the offender in matters of fines. Deut. xix. 13.
280. To pervert the judgment of strangers or orphans. Deut. xxiv. 17.
281. To hear one litigant except in the presence of the other. Ex. xxiii. 1.
282. To decide by a majority of one in capital cases. Ex. xxiii. 2.
283. Having first pleaded for a man in a capital case, one may not afterward plead against him. Ex. xxiii. 2.
284. The appointment as judge of one who is not learned in the Law. Deut. i. 17.
285. False witness. Ex. xx. 16.
286. The acceptance of testimony from a wicked person. Ex. xxiii. 1.
287. The testimony of relatives. Deut. xxiv. 16.
288. To pronounce judgment upon the testimony of only one witness. Deut. xix. 15.
289. To kill the innocent. Ex. xx. 13.
290. To convict on circumstantial evidence only. Ex. xxiii. 7.
291. To condemn to death on the evidence of only one witness. Num. xxxv. 30.
292. To execute before conviction one charged with a crime. Num. xxxv. 12.
293 To pity or spare the persecutor. Deut. xxv. 12.
294. To punish the victim in a case of rape. Deut. xxii. 26.
295-6. The acceptance of ransom for a murderer or for a manslayer. Num. xxxv. 31, 32.
297. The toleration of bloodshed. Lev. xix. 16.
298-9. To leave a stumbling-block in the way, or to cause the simple to stumble on the road. Deut. xxii. 8; Lev. xix. 14.
300. To exceed the number of stripes assigned to the guilty. Deut. xxv. 3.
301. Calumny. Lev. xix. 16.
302. To bear hatred in one's heart. Lev. xix. 17.
303. To cause the face of an Israelite to blush. Lev. xix. 17.
304-5. To bear a grudge. Lev. xix. 18.
306. To take the dam with the young. Deut. xxii, 6.
307-8. To shave the hair of the scall, or to pluck out the marks of leprosy. Lev. xiii. 33; Deut. xxiv. 8.
309. To plow or sow in a valley in which a slain body has been found. Deut. xxi. 4.
310. To suffer a witch to live. Ex. xxii. 18.
311. To force a bridegroom to perform military service. Deut. xxiv. 5.
312. Rebellion against the Sanhedrin. Deut. xvii. 11.
313-4. To add to or detract from the precepts of the Law. Deut. xii. 32.
315-6. To curse the judges, a prince, or a ruler. Ex. xxii. 28.
317. To curse any Israelite. Lev. xix. 14.
318-9. To curse or smite father or mother. Ex. xxi. 15, 17.
320-1. To work or to go beyond the city limits on the Sabbath. Ex. xx. 10.
322. To punish on the Sabbath. Ex. xxxv. 3.
323-9. To work on the first or the seventh day of Passover, or on the Feast of Shebu'ot, or on the first day of the seventh month, or on the Day of Atonement, or on the first or the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles. Ex. xii. 16; Lev. xxiii. 7, 16, 20, 25, 28, 35, 36.
330-45. The various marriages constituting incest. Lev. xviii. 7-18.
346. To have intercourse with a menstruous woman. Lev. xviii. 19.
347-53. Adultery, sodomy, etc. Lev. xviii. 7, 14, 20, 22, 23.
354. The marriage of a bastard with a daughter of Israel. Deut. xxiii. 2.
355. Harlotry. Deut. xxiii. 17.
356. The remarriage of a divorcee with her first husband. Deut. xxiv. 4.
357. The marriage of a widow with any one but the brother of her deceased husband. Deut. xxv. 5.
358. Divorcing of a victim of rape by the offender. Deut. xxii. 29.
359. Divorcing of a wife upon whom an evil name has been brought. Deut. xxii. 9.
360. The marriage of a eunuch with a daughter of Israel. Deut. xxiii. 1.
361. The castration of any male whatsoever. Lev. xxii. 24.
362. The election of a stranger as king over Israel. Deut. xvii. 15.
363-5. The possession by a king of an excessive number of horses and wives, or of an unduly large quantity of silver and gold. Deut. xvii. 16, 17.
Of the mandates Naḥmanides rejected Nos. 5, 7, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 85, 89, 95-108 (inclusive), 149, 150, 151, 198, 227, 228, 237, and 299, substituting for them the following:

5. To eat the first-born of cattle and the second tithe in Jerusalem. Deut. xiv. 23.
7. To eat the wave-offering only when it is without blemish. Deut. xv. 22.
63. To eat the fruit of the seventh year, and not to trade with it. Lev. xxv. 6.
64. To possess the land of Israel. Num. xxxiii. 53.
65. To leave open one side in besieging a town. Num. xxxi. 7 (see Sifre ad loc.).
66. To remember what God did to Miriam. Deut. xxiv. 9.
67. To be perfect with the Lord. Deut. xviii. 13.
85. To select the wave-offering from the best. Num. xviii. 29.
89. To bring an offering of cattle only. Lev. i. 1.
95. To offer all the sacrifices between the two oblations. Lev. vi. 5.
96. To eat the paschal lamb in the night only. Ex. xii. 8.
97. That the avenger of blood pursue the murderer. Num. xxxv. 19.
98. To avoid the garments of the leprous. Lev. xiii. 51.
99. To recite the blessing over the Torah before reading it. Deut. xxxii. 2.
100. To sustain the sojourning stranger. Lev. xxv. 49.
101. To return usury taken from an Israelite. Lev. xxv. 35.
102. To renounce profit from the Nazarite's hair. Num. vi. 5.
103. To make an ark and a mercy-seat. Ex. xxv. 15.
104. To keep an oath or vow. Deut. xxiii. 24.
105. To reckon months and years. Deut. xvi. 1.
106. To bring an offering morning and evening. Num. xxviii. 4.
107. To offer incense morning and evening. Ex. xxx. 7, 8.
108. To read the Shema' morning and evening. Deut. vi. 17.
149. To recognize unconditionally the first-born son. Deut. xxi. 17.
150. To liberate the slave whose tooth or eye has been knocked out by his master. Ex. xxi. 27.
151. To execute him who has incurred capital punishment. Deut. xvii. 7.
198, 227, 228. That the priest shall serve in the sanctuary all the sacrifices; to separate the wave-offering, a cake of the dough, and give it to the priest. Num. xviii. 7: Deut. xviii. 7; Num. xv. 21.
237. To separate the first tithe and give it to the Levite, and give the poor's tithe to the poor. Num. xviii. 24.
299. To consult the Urim and the Thummim for the king. Num. xxvii. 21.
Of the prohibitions Naḥmanides rejects Nos. 2, 3, 5, 14, 28, 58, 69, 70, 92, 93, 94, 95, 143, 150, 152, 177, 178, 179, 190, 191, 199, 201, 294, 307, 319, 321, 353, substituting for them the following:

2-3. Forgetfulness of the law of God and of the sojourn on Mount Sinai. Deut. iv. 9, viii. 11.
5. Alteration of the order of the vessels in the Temple. Ex. xxiii. 13 (see Mekilta ad loc.).
14, 28. The offering of sacrifices with the intention of eating them in other than the prescribed time and place, and the eating of sacrifices so offered. Lev. vii. 18; deut. xvii. 1.
58. Eating the bird slain for the cleansing from leprosy. Lev. xiv. 14.
69. Selection of the heave-offering by the Levites. Num. xviii. 32.
70. The acceptance of shekels from heathens. Lev. xxii. 25.
92. The condemnation on the testimony of only one witness. Deut. xvii. 6.
93. Allowing the faint-hearted to go to war. Deut. xx. 8.
94. To cause the Shekinah to depart from the camp by reason of any impurity. Deut. xxiii. 15.
95. Depriving the first-born of his birthright. Deut. xxi. 16.
143. Clemency to a murderer. Deut. xix. 21.
150. Marriage of the deceased brother's wife after "ḥalizah." Deut. xxv. 9.
152. Cohabitation with a wife who has committed adultery. Deut. xxiv. 4.
177. Regretting the poing of charity and the freeing of a Hebrew slave in the seventh year. Deut. xv. 10, 18.
178. Robbery of vessels of the sanctuary. Num. iv. 20.
179. The Levite may not carry the holy vessels after the fiftieth year. Num. viii. 25.
190. The divorced wife when married to another may not be taken back. Deut. xxiv. 4.
191. Disputing the priesthood. Num. xvii. 5.
199. Deriving profit from the beheaded heifer. Num. xxxv. 34.
201. To marry a daughter to one who is forbidden to her. Lev. xix. 9.
294. Profanation of the Holy Land.
307. Leaving the sanctuary during the service.
Two prohibitions are contained in each of the following verses, by which the number of the remaining rejected prohibitions is made up: Lev. xxiii. 4; Lev. ii. 11; Deut. xxiii. 19; Ex. xii. 9; Ex. xxii. 21; Ex. xxviii. 7; Deut. xxiv. 5; Deut. xxi. 18; Deut. ii. 9.

Moses of Coucy rejects Maimonides' mandates Nos. 142, 193, 198, substituting the following:

142. To justify the decision of the Lord. Deut. viii. 5.
193. To reckon the solstices and constellations. Deut. iv. 6.
198. To keep far from a false matter. Ex. xxiii. 7.
Of the prohibitions he rejects Nos. 14, 26, 67, 70, 78, 95, 140, 150, 152, 165, 177, 178, 199, 266, 278, 283, 291, substituting the following:

14. Abandonment of the Torah. Deut. iv. 9.
26. The kissing of idols. Ex. xxiii. 24.
67. The making of idols. Lev. xxvi. 1.
70. Pride. Deut, viii. 14.
78. Prostitution of a daughter of Israel. Lev. xix. 29.
95. Cursing oneself. Deut. iv.
140. A priest may not make himself unclean for the dead. Lev. xxi. 1.
There are two prohibitions in each of the following verses, by which the number of the remaining rejected prohibitions is made up: Ex. xii. 9; Lev. ii. 11; Deut. xxiii. 1, 13, 18; xxiv. 6.

From:http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/artic ... ts-the-613

[Gman]

Gman wrote:
So if we believe in Him, we would want to follow His commandments

Well, here you go Gman. You had better get busy. If you want to show God that you really love Him, these may take a while. Remember what you said before that God's laws are not a burden. Here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is:

Right... As I was saying before, we can't do all the 613 commandments given in the Tanach. Why? Because not all of them apply to us.. Some are for priests, some are for lepers, some are for men, some are for women, some are agricultural, some are for temple services, etc.. So we do the ones that we can apply to us for now. Can you honor the Sabbath? Can you participate in a Biblical festival? Etc.. I would think so.

Also there are some 1,050 commands in the New Testament for Christians to obey as well.. Even more than the OT. So who is being more legalistic?

http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-n ... t-commands

Also don't forget the Christ's coming temple will be re-instituted again. Therefore many of the temple practices will be coming back too in Ezekiel 43 - 48.

Enjoy..

[jlay]

I would say no. Taking James for example. You conflate works to following the law, as you follow it. Yet Paul says, that He has prepared good works for us to walk in. And Jesus when asked, "what are the works of God we are to do," answered John 6:29.

That "You believe in Him whom He has sent?" So if we believe in Him, we would want to follow His commandments. Now go up to John chapter 7 and 14.

John 7:19 “Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?”
John 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commands;
John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me, and the one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him.”

Are you aware that Christ gave us His law on Mt. Sinai? Col 1:16, John 1:3,10,14

G my, point is that through prooftexting one can defend anything. Which you unknowlingly repeated here.
Again you conflate the word "commands" in John 14 to have the meaning you wish it to have.

[Gman]

G my, point is that through prooftexting one can defend anything. Which you unknowlingly repeated here.
Again you conflate the word "commands" in John 14 to have the meaning you wish it to have.

Again, Christ never said anything against G-d's laws.. In fulfilling G-d's laws does not mean that G-d Laws are now debunked. There is absolutely nothing wrong or bad with G-d's commandments, how we apply them to our lives, whether it is in a legalistic manner or out of love DOES matter however. It's really that simple.. And again, we only do the ones that apply to us. I really don't know how to make this clearer...

[RickD]

G my, point is that through prooftexting one can defend anything. Which you unknowlingly repeated here.
Again you conflate the word "commands" in John 14 to have the meaning you wish it to have.

Again, Christ never said anything against G-d's laws.. In fulfilling G-d's laws does not mean that G-d Laws are now debunked. There is absolutely nothing wrong or bad with G-d's commandments, how we apply them to our lives, whether it is in a legalistic manner or out of love DOES matter however. It's really that simple.. And again, we only do the ones that apply to us. I really don't know how to make this clearer...

And how do you choose which one's apply to you, Eenie meenie miney moe?

[Gman]

And how do you choose which one's apply to you, Eenie meenie miney moe?

It's all about studying and dividing the word correctly...

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

This link might help however.... This is a Jewish source. Be aware that Christians do not support the Talmud or the Rabbinical laws.. Only the ones in the Torah.

"Commandments that cannot be observed today primarily relate to the Temple, its sacrifices and services (because the Temple does not exist) and criminal procedures (because the theocratic state of Israel does not exist)."

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

[jlay]

G my, point is that through prooftexting one can defend anything. Which you unknowlingly repeated here.
Again you conflate the word "commands" in John 14 to have the meaning you wish it to have.

Again, Christ never said anything against G-d's laws.. In fulfilling G-d's laws does not mean that G-d Laws are now debunked. There is absolutely nothing wrong or bad with G-d's commandments, how we apply them to our lives, whether it is in a legalistic manner or out of love DOES matter however. It's really that simple.. And again, we only do the ones that apply to us. I really don't know how to make this clearer...

Asked and answered. Asked and answered. You keep building the same Strawmen. All of this is rhetoric which distorts my position, which I have pointed out to you countless times? It's really that simple.

It's all about studying and dividing the word correctly...
2 Timothy 2:15
"Commandments that cannot be observed today primarily relate to the Temple, its sacrifices and services (because the Temple does not exist) and criminal procedures (because the theocratic state of Israel does not exist)."

Man you said a mouthful.

[RickD]

And how do you choose which one's apply to you, Eenie meenie miney moe?

It's all about studying and dividing the word correctly...

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

This link might help however.... This is a Jewish source. Be aware that Christians do not support the Talmud or the Rabbinical laws.. Only the ones in the Torah.

"Commandments that cannot be observed today primarily relate to the Temple, its sacrifices and services (because the Temple does not exist) and criminal procedures (because the theocratic state of Israel does not exist)."

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

G, do you observe the Jewish Sabbath as required? Or do you just decide for yourself how you want to observe it? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems you just follow the sabbath how you want, not how it was required.
And that gets to my point that if one attempts to observe the Jewish Sabbath as commanded, then one sees it only pertains to Israel. Just like the Rabbinical laws, etc.

[Gman]

Asked and answered. Asked and answered. You keep building the same Strawmen. All of this is rhetoric which distorts my position, which I have pointed out to you countless times? It's really that simple.

No you have not answered my questions.. You simply can't Biblically. According to your logic, since we can't follow G-d's laws, G-d's laws are now void. That is preposterous thinking and goes contrary to the Bible. According to Paul we do NOT make the Law void through faith, on the contrary we establish the law. Please read it yourself.

Romans 3:31, “Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.”

Again, we don't use G-d's laws to JUSTIFY ourselves or for salvation. We do it because we want to be in harmony with G-d and our fellow neighbors. We follow it because we need to eradicate sin form our lives.. It's a call for unification.

So tell me... Do you follow all the laws that have been established here in the United States? Have you ever run a stop sign? If you ever have you have just broken the law..... So since you can't follow the laws of the United States, should we simply destroy the laws of the United States? Get rid of all the policemen? Tell all of our judges to take a hike? Do we want anarchy in our lives?

Do you see how silly this argument is?

[Gman]

G, do you observe the Jewish Sabbath as required? Or do you just decide for yourself how you want to observe it? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems you just follow the sabbath how you want, not how it was required.

First of all it's not a Jewish Sabbath, it's made to all His followers. I do my best to observe it on Saturday... Why? I believe it promotes unity among the believers. If we listen to the day Bob wants it, or Joe wants it, or Karen wants it, then you will get a multitude of different answers. Again it's true that we worship every day of the week.. I'm not knocking that. What I'm talking about here is CORPORATE worship. Where everyone in the body comes to worship together... This promotes UNITY.

And that gets to my point that if one attempts to observe the Jewish Sabbath as commanded, then one sees it only pertains to Israel. Just like the Rabbinical laws, etc.

Yes, again we've been over this many many times.. Christian’s graft into the commonwealth of Israel and are co-citizens of the promises with the Jews Ephesians 2:11-13, 19, Ephesians 3:6, Romans 11:11-24, Galatians 4:28. G-d made the covenants ONLY between the house of Israel and the house of Judah Jeremiah 31:31-32, Hebrews 8:6-13. There is no house of the gentiles.. There are twelve gates on the city of the new Jerusalem Revelation 21:12. There are NO gates for the gentiles only for the tribes of Israel.. Either we graft into the house of Israel or we don't. It's that simple...

I will say this... If it's not in your heart to follow G-d's laws then I would say please DON"T. Do NOT follow it if it is not in your heart.. Otherwise it will be for nothing.

[RickD]

Gman wrote:
No you have not answered my questions.. You simply can't Biblically. According to your logic, since we can't follow G-d's laws, G-d's laws are now void. That is preposterous thinking and goes contrary to the Bible. According to Paul we do NOT make the Law void through faith, on the contrary we establish the law. Please read it yourself.

Romans 3:31, “Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.”

G, the question would then be, Which "law" is Romans 3:31 referring to? Through faith, Do we establish all the ceremonial OT laws? Or, do we establish the law of loving God and our neighbor?
Again, all the OT laws are summed up in the law to love God and your neighbor. And please don't say that by following the jewish Sabbath however one wants, is loving God. That's not consistent with what Christ came for.

Gman wrote:
So tell me... Do you follow all the laws that have been established here in the United States? Have you ever run a stop sign? If you ever have you have just broken the law..... So since you can't follow the laws of the United States, should we simply destroy the laws of the United States? Get rid of all the policemen? Tell all of our judges to take a hike? Do we want anarchy in our lives?

Do you see how silly this argument is?

Gdog, You are comparing OT laws given from God to the Jews, with laws of a secular govenment? Yes, that sure is a silly argument.
Faith in Christ puts us in "harmony" with God. Not trying in our own way to follow OT laws. Faith in Christ is the fulfillment of the OT laws. I don't understand how you can't see this. You understand all the OT ceremonies and festivals are foreshadows of Christ. Just as the law was the tutor that pointed to Christ.

[jlay]

No you have not answered my questions.. You simply can't Biblically. According to your logic, since we can't follow G-d's laws, G-d's laws are now void. That is preposterous thinking and goes contrary to the Bible. According to Paul we do NOT make the Law void through faith, on the contrary we establish the law. Please read it yourself.

And you are a moderator? Again a straw man. That is NOT what I have said. You continue to misrepresent my position and attack strawmen.

Romans 3:31, “Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.”

And??

Again, we don't use G-d's laws to JUSTIFY ourselves or for salvation. We do it because we want to be in harmony with G-d and our fellow neighbors. We follow it because we need to eradicate sin form our lives.. It's a call for unification.

If you think following your ammended version of the Mosaic law brings you in harmony with God, fine. But that isn't what you are saying. You are saying that following the law is the justified life. It is called back door legalism, which says, "oh the law doesn't save you. But if you're saved you'll follow it."
If you think following the law eridicates sin, then so be it. Paul explained carefully in Romans that the law, being Holy, exposed sin in his life. And of course in our own.

So tell me... Do you follow all the laws that have been established here in the United States? Have you ever run a stop sign? If you ever have you have just broken the law..... So since you can't follow the laws of the United States, should we simply destroy the laws of the United States? Get rid of all the policemen? Tell all of our judges to take a hike? Do we want anarchy in our lives?

No one is calling for anarchy. Again, this is a strawman. I haven't said the law is void because we are unable to keep the Law. So, please stop misrepresenting my position. Paul had to answer these same questions. Is grace a license to sin? Heaven forbid.