Nithash wrote:Hi Kurieuo,
Thank you for the reply. The solution you gave me fore the third question appropriately suits the existence of God and how he works, in fact it can also be the answer my second question of why things are different in this world.
To summarize the answer to the first question, you said "There are consequences if we commit sinful activities". Let me give you an example and discuss about it, "A poor man struggled all his life with money, career, power and women. Many people around him cursed him, made fun of him and enjoyed while the poor man accepted the fate and struggled. So if the same poor man is born as a handsome son to one of the billionaire in his next life and now that he's got everything, lets say he will start enjoying things. So tobe more precise if the poor man in his previous life never had sex and in his present future life he started sleeping with new girl everyday - Is it considered a sin by God? (keeping in mind the fact that he was rejected, hurt'ed by women in his previous life though he tried to love women"
Sorry if I am deviating the topic from existence of God to how God works, because if I knew how God works than I can apply the principles in to my daily life and see the result. The result will later tell me whether God is watching me or not and hence I can share my experience here which can make me prove God existence ultimately.
To qualify your reiteration of what I said, more often than not there are natural consequences (repercussions) for doing moral wrong. Not always, but generally speaking.
Most people believe in a general principle of karma, that is, what you reap you'll sow. If you help others, others will help you. If you wrong others, expect the same at some point in your life. It's almost like a general principle written into the fabric of the universe and many of all beliefs including Atheists will often acknowledge karma in casual conversation. Of course, it doesn't always hold, but generally so...
My response was more on our freedom to choose. God installed a moral compass within us so we can determine right from wrong. Unlike say a dog who just obeys whatever his master commands, or a cat which just goes about its day as it pleases. God cannot install "moral good" in us from the get go, because such overrides our freedom to choose. In fact, if God made us "good" so that we can commit no wrong acts, then we are not being good since we're determined to be such a way and "we" have no say in the matter. Good actions can only exist if we are free to choose good over bad, right from wrong. Indeed, the greatest good many desire in life -- love -- can only exist if one has the freedom to choose to respond out of love.
I'm sure everyone at some point in life wanted to cast a spell on another they may have had a crush on to fall in love with them. Yet, if you could cast a spell on another, their love wouldn't be true. It's not authentic because they didn't really choose to love you. You cast a spell on them to "love" you. They might feel they love you but you know it was just your spell. Similarly, God can't create us to love Him, we must be free to respond on our own accord.
So if God implanted good in us (let's say this good is a moral compass to largely know right from wrong),
unless God gives us a freedom to make moral/immoral choices then we a neither good or bad. But the moment God gives us the freedom to make moral/immoral choices, then our responses show whether we're good or bad.
And this is the crux of the story of Adam and Eve. Without God giving them an opportunity to commit an act against Himself, then it could have been God just created them to be. But God wanted more than that. In God's creation, He wanted them to love Him back out of their own free accord. So He setup a basic test to not eat from the tree. God could have said not to pick up a certain stick for all it mattered. Then upon their first chance to show their love for God, they revealed their rebellion and desire to go against God, and even a desire to be God's equal - God's rival. And humanity has followed suit ever since.
I believe that deals with your first question... so to now respond to your scenario in your last post:
Let me give you an example and discuss about it, "A poor man struggled all his life with money, career, power and women. Many people around him cursed him, made fun of him and enjoyed while the poor man accepted the fate and struggled. So if the same poor man is born as a handsome son to one of the billionaire in his next life and now that he's got everything, lets say he will start enjoying things. So tobe more precise if the poor man in his previous life never had sex and in his present future life he started sleeping with new girl everyday - Is it considered a sin by God? (keeping in mind the fact that he was rejected, hurt'ed by women in his previous life though he tried to love women"
Sin exists when it is actualised, so the man sinned by sleeping around. He sinned against all those girls he used for his own sexual gratification. God doesn't want us to live selfishly in pursuit of our own lives, but Christ taught to love others as we do ourselves. If the man truly loves those women, then he'd put their needs first and perhaps find them a decent husband rather than simply taking advantage of them.
Furthermore, wrong others commit against us might make wrongs we do understandable, but they do not cancel our own wrongful actions out. A serial killer might be so, because of tragic physical and sexual degrading by their parents upon them as a child -- which wore away at the moral fabric within them somuchso that they became psychopaths without empathy for others nor any care for right and wrong. But this does not justify the crimes of the serial killer. Makes it understandable how a serial killer might be the way they are, but such circumstances do not justify them.
You've probably heard the saying, "To those whom much is given, much is expected." According to Christ, God expects the same of us. Read over Matthew 25.
Something I'd like to ask you is why whether something is a "sin" important to you? People focus on the wrong question when they ask whether or not something is a "sin". Such shows a pettiness in wanting to be innocent of guilt. Regardless of whether or not some particular action is/isn't a sin, no doubt we've done much wrong regardless. Even the poor man in your story would have done much wrong.
So the question is more, have you ever done anything wrong? I've done wrong. And once you've done something wrong, there is nothing you can do to undo that wrong. It is there forever in the fabric of time past as a blemish. Try to clean yourself of it as you might, there is nothing that can undo the reality and consequences of your wrong once committed. So if God exists, and God is fully righteous, then God's only recourse is to punish me. Have never done anything wrong? For I have done wrong, and more than once. Try as I might to make amends, I'm tainted - and God's righteous nature means I deserve nothing less than God's righteous wrath.
