Canada OKs homosexual marriage
Canada OKs homosexual marriage
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Canadian Parliament approves same sex marriage
Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:34 AM BST
By Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's Parliament on Tuesday approved legislation to allow same sex marriages across the country, despite fierce opposition from conservative politicians and religious groups.
Legislators voted by 158-133 to support the bill, which makes Canada only the third country in the world after Belgium and the Netherlands to permit gay marriages.
Most Canadian provinces already allow same-sex marriages, and Canada has become a popular destination for gay and lesbian couples from countries where these unions are banned.
The minority Liberal government said it had to draw up the legislation after courts in eight of the country's 10 provinces ruled that a ban same-sex marriages was unconstitutional because it violated Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Canada's relaxed stance on gay marriage, and on other social issues, stands in contrast to that of the United States, where President George W. Bush wants Congress to back a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriages.
"We are a nation of minorities and in a nation of minorities, it is important that you don't cherry pick rights. A right is a right and that is what this vote tonight is all about," Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin said shortly before the vote.
Thousands of gay and lesbian couples have already been wed in Canada. Some came up from the United States, although their unions are not recognized back home.
Church groups and the main opposition Conservative Party say the law is an attack on organized religion, and some have suggested that it could lead to the legalization of polygamy.
"(This) is effectively exposing people of faith to persecution and prosecution ... I want to make it very clear today that this is the beginning of the formal fight against the definition of marriage," said Charles McVety, president of the Canada Family Action Coalition.
Opponents say they fear churches and religious officials could be sued for refusing to carry out same sex marriages.
In fact, the legislation grants gays and lesbians the right to full civil marriages, but makes clear that religious officials would not be obliged to marry same-sex couples.
This did not do enough to allay the fears of some Liberal legislators, 32 of whom voted against the bill.
Martin ordered his cabinet to back the legislation, prompting junior minister Joe Comuzzi to resign before the vote so he could vote "no".
The bill still needs to be approved by the Liberal-dominated Senate upper chamber, but that is seen as a formality.
Some Liberal lawmakers admit they fear a voter backlash at the next federal election, expected early next year. Conservative leader Stephen Harper says opposing gay marriage will form a major part of his election platform.
But Harper's stance could also be risky. The Liberals won elections in 2000 and 2004 in part because they portrayed their right-wing rivals as extremists who would hack away at civil rights if elected.
Parliament broke for the summer immediately after the vote. Legislators will resume work on September 26.
Canadian Parliament approves same sex marriage
Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:34 AM BST
By Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's Parliament on Tuesday approved legislation to allow same sex marriages across the country, despite fierce opposition from conservative politicians and religious groups.
Legislators voted by 158-133 to support the bill, which makes Canada only the third country in the world after Belgium and the Netherlands to permit gay marriages.
Most Canadian provinces already allow same-sex marriages, and Canada has become a popular destination for gay and lesbian couples from countries where these unions are banned.
The minority Liberal government said it had to draw up the legislation after courts in eight of the country's 10 provinces ruled that a ban same-sex marriages was unconstitutional because it violated Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Canada's relaxed stance on gay marriage, and on other social issues, stands in contrast to that of the United States, where President George W. Bush wants Congress to back a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriages.
"We are a nation of minorities and in a nation of minorities, it is important that you don't cherry pick rights. A right is a right and that is what this vote tonight is all about," Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin said shortly before the vote.
Thousands of gay and lesbian couples have already been wed in Canada. Some came up from the United States, although their unions are not recognized back home.
Church groups and the main opposition Conservative Party say the law is an attack on organized religion, and some have suggested that it could lead to the legalization of polygamy.
"(This) is effectively exposing people of faith to persecution and prosecution ... I want to make it very clear today that this is the beginning of the formal fight against the definition of marriage," said Charles McVety, president of the Canada Family Action Coalition.
Opponents say they fear churches and religious officials could be sued for refusing to carry out same sex marriages.
In fact, the legislation grants gays and lesbians the right to full civil marriages, but makes clear that religious officials would not be obliged to marry same-sex couples.
This did not do enough to allay the fears of some Liberal legislators, 32 of whom voted against the bill.
Martin ordered his cabinet to back the legislation, prompting junior minister Joe Comuzzi to resign before the vote so he could vote "no".
The bill still needs to be approved by the Liberal-dominated Senate upper chamber, but that is seen as a formality.
Some Liberal lawmakers admit they fear a voter backlash at the next federal election, expected early next year. Conservative leader Stephen Harper says opposing gay marriage will form a major part of his election platform.
But Harper's stance could also be risky. The Liberals won elections in 2000 and 2004 in part because they portrayed their right-wing rivals as extremists who would hack away at civil rights if elected.
Parliament broke for the summer immediately after the vote. Legislators will resume work on September 26.
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This statement is so True. Soon it will be like Holland where the whole THOUGHT of having a Family will be thrown down the Toilet and a Mother and Father will no longer be the NormChurch groups and the main opposition Conservative Party say the law is an attack on organized religion, and some have suggested that it could lead to the legalization of polygamy.
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Yeah, there was this Liberal MP last night saying how all the critics are way off in their claiming how the sky will fall once this becomes law. She said how 'it's been in practice in Holland, and the sky hasn't fallen there.' Well as far as I'm concerned the sky HAS fallen there. They continue murder as a form of birth control, they have legal prostitution, they murder the elderly right along with their infants, and they have little-to-no notion of family. How much worse does it need to get before people see how bad it is?bizzt wrote:This statement is so True. Soon it will be like Holland where the whole THOUGHT of having a Family will be thrown down the Toilet and a Mother and Father will no longer be the Norm
Very sad day for Canada indeed.
The majority of your compatriots seem to tolerate homosexual marriage, so there isn't really anything that can be done the democratic way. Maybe your conservative province should secede. If that does happen, can you imagine a 21st century Canadian Civil War a la 19th century American Civil War?bizzt wrote:It saddens my Heart OC...
Sad to say, but the Dutch, Belgians, Canadians, and Spanish have made these extreme choices, so they'll have to live with the consequences. Since America has the most moral fiber in the West, Americans must see to it that that standard is upheld in future generations.Felgar wrote: Yeah, there was this Liberal MP last night saying how all the critics are way off in their claiming how the sky will fall once this becomes law. She said how 'it's been in practice in Holland, and the sky hasn't fallen there.' Well as far as I'm concerned the sky HAS fallen there. They continue murder as a form of birth control, they have legal prostitution, they murder the elderly right along with their infants, and they have little-to-no notion of family. How much worse does it need to get before people see how bad it is?
Very sad day for Canada indeed.
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Well, it's mainly the East who have lost their way. Except for their socialist mentality, Saskatchewan is also of like mind, and Manitoba too.ochotseat wrote:The majority of your compatriots seem to tolerate homosexual marriage, so there isn't really anything that can be done the democratic way. Maybe your conservative province should secede.
There is talk of seperation, given that the West as a whole has no say in the government leading them. As long as the East keeps electing Liberal, they will remain the government. It would not suprise me at all, with the backlash from having this forced upon us, to see a seperatist party do well in the next federal election. A few ran in the last election, but only got fringe support.
To seperate effectively though, we'd need BC, Sask, and Manitoba to come too. We would need the people as well as the ports to effectively form a nation. As the ideological gap grows between us and the rest of the nation, I can easily see it happening. Either that, or else a fundamental shift of authority to the Provinces to manage their own affairs, more like you have in the States.
For some reason, things like abortion or capital punishment don't seem to be major topics in your country.Felgar wrote: Well, it's mainly the East who have lost their way.
A conservative socialist sounds like an oxymoron to me.Except for their socialist mentality, Saskatchewan is also of like mind, and Manitoba too.
Just hope Vancouver, if not already, doesn't become as morally depraved as Toronto or Montreal.There is talk of seperation, given that the West as a whole has no say in the government leading them. To seperate effectively though, we'd need BC, Sask, and Manitoba to come too.
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The board turned against your babble when you predicted that conservative Christians are headed for hell.Prodigal Son wrote:cruisin? sorry, no can do, dude!
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ochotseat: Have you seen this post? Prodigal Son doesn't need these sort of comments right now. It's definitely time for some encouragement, not personal attacks!ochotseat wrote:The board turned against you when you predicted that conservative Christians are headed for hell.Prodigal Son wrote:cruisin? sorry, no can do, dude!
I disagree with the decisions of Canada and Spain as well, but you shouldn't tell Prodigal that "the board turned against you"!
Why does it seem that you're fast to jump on me for fighting off the very people who are attacking our God and faith?jerickson314 wrote:
I disagree with the decisions of Canada and Spain as well, but you shouldn't tell Prodigal that "the board turned against you"!
We all say things we don't mean at times, but his forecast about conservative Christians going to hell was outright revolting.
Dis-alowing equal rights for couples isn't something to be proud of America.
The marriages in these countries have no connection with heterosexual marriage - appart from using the same word and giving the same legal/beneficial rights as straight couples.
The meaning behind the unions have no religious background unless the couple want there to be.
The law - as I saw it in Canada was that Churches won't be forced to conduct ceremonies, and the law states that marriage in that country would be "The unity between 2 concenting adults", how is that going to open the way to Polygamy?
It's more likely to decrease polygamous relationships in gay couples. I've heard a lot of complaints about (apparently) all gay people being polygomous - yet you take pride in taking the "Confirmed monogomous relationship" away from them.
As for the comments about heterosexual marriages failing etc.. because of these new laws, it's quite a silly assumption. If a heterosexual couple's marriage fails, it's their own fault!
Stop blaming the gays for your own mistakes.
Stop pointing at other people's "apparent" sins and start concentrating on your own.
The marriages in these countries have no connection with heterosexual marriage - appart from using the same word and giving the same legal/beneficial rights as straight couples.
The meaning behind the unions have no religious background unless the couple want there to be.
The law - as I saw it in Canada was that Churches won't be forced to conduct ceremonies, and the law states that marriage in that country would be "The unity between 2 concenting adults", how is that going to open the way to Polygamy?
It's more likely to decrease polygamous relationships in gay couples. I've heard a lot of complaints about (apparently) all gay people being polygomous - yet you take pride in taking the "Confirmed monogomous relationship" away from them.
As for the comments about heterosexual marriages failing etc.. because of these new laws, it's quite a silly assumption. If a heterosexual couple's marriage fails, it's their own fault!
Stop blaming the gays for your own mistakes.
Stop pointing at other people's "apparent" sins and start concentrating on your own.
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