neo-x wrote:Everybody has free will so everybody sins. We may be made in the image of god but then i don't know what do you mean by that.
Just because you state a premise, it doesn't make it so........
Lets use a child molester as an example and investigate....
If you were born with an identical genetic makeup, with identical influences and met with the identical circumstances as this child molester.... Would you have chosen differently?
You have stated that we all have free will, so that must exist regardless of circumstance, therefore you must logically adhere that you would have made the obvious (eh hem) choice and chosen differently.... The answer being yes.
This is basic contemplative reasoning..... There are two possibilities in this scenario.
#1
Your physical form is identical. Your mind is identical; hence, your thought process is identical. We can only conclude that your choice would also be identical.... The answer would therefore be NO!
#2
Each of us is given a soul that is not identical which would be the only possible scenario to counteract the choice of a physically and mentally identical form as it responds to an identical set of circumstance, one soul would have the innate quality to differentiate within said choice, while another one would not.
Since scenario #2 is the only viable option to support your answer, then let us examine further.
Who provided us with this soul? And what is the motive?
There are two more scenarios.
#1
God provided us all with a very unique soul. If God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent; God would also know the outcome of placing this specific soul within it's specific genetic makeup, influence and circumstance. God would also have a motive in matching this soul with it's influence, knowing whether or not it will be able to differentiate a choice within said circumstance.
If God is truly omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent; what is the motive?
#2
God is not omniscient, omnipotent or omnipresent... Being the creator of all things, God has created a law that governs even himself. God has created chaos, and it now rules everything.
God provides every individual with a very unique soul and only has knowledge that it might succeed or that it might fail.
The aspect that becomes completely senseless is that God provides reward or punishment to something even he has no choice in.
Even though the argument is unravelling, there is no possible way you can say that you would have made the choice within such a flawed arena, not to become the same child molester or perhaps even worse.
Regardless.....
Seeing as option #2 is completely senseless and absurd.... Option #1 is the only sensible scenario.... Now let us examine this further!
God has provided us all with a very unique soul with full knowledge of whether it will succeed or fail in it's choice, given it's influence and circumstance of physical embodiment. In result, there must be a motive in pairing the soul with it's embodiment, having one succeed and another fail, with full knowledge in doing so.
We can actually find the answer to this in the Bible, it relates perfectly to everything I have pointing out. Let's examine that answer!
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Romans 9:14-33
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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The answer is that it is not of the individual will, but the mercy of God.
When asked, who then has resisted God's will (if our life is merely the result of his demonstration of power in showing compassion for one soul and hardening another). The answer to this question is simply... Who are you to question God's motive for doing so? Does not the potter have power over the clay?
The Bible itself contradicts that we have free will, which actually lines up perfectly when we investigate it through basic logic......
It's a bit sadistic if you ask me....
But if there's a solution towards achieving actual embodiment, where the aspect of choice falls away to a simple realization of fulfillment for every life and mind.... THAT would be a brilliant expression of the mind that takes responsibility for every act within humanity!
That kind of seems like the obvious CHOICE if that's the way we are WILLING to see.....
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At least be realistic with yourself in conforming to your belief.... You have been created a vessel of God's mercy that he afore prepared unto glory, in motive, to make the riches of his glory known. God could not provide such knowledge without also creating a vessel fitted to destruction.
It is not about a choice, but of God's will.
Do not question why God has chosen to favor you, but only that you might edify that glory.
I am regrettably one of those vessels fitted to destruction, God never wanted me to be a part of his glory.... In an infinite number of lives, I cannot accept a God that would simply create a soul in order to destroy it, as it is a demonstration of gross inequality.
It is not a choice that I have, this is the way I was created; it is impossible to deviate from it.
