Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
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Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
We must be quick to understand that our current of understanding of physical laws is just that, a CURRENT understanding.
The bible makes it clear that Christ's resurrected body ( at least the one He used while here after his resurrection) was very physical.
The bible makes it clear that Christ's resurrected body ( at least the one He used while here after his resurrection) was very physical.
Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
Exactly. There might very well be an extra-dimensional physical world we're not privy to at this stage. I mean if we don't believe that we might as well not believe in the resurrection and ascension either. After all, Jesus was bodily resurrected so where do you think he is right at this moment?RickD wrote:Neo, are you asserting that nothing physical can be eternal? Or are you asserting the physical as we know it, can't be eternal?Neo wrote:
I do, but whatever is being resurrected can't be physical the same as we have, which is physical. The physical can't be eternal.
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Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
Byblos, why would it be important to believe in a literal resurrection and ascension of Christ? I mean, if Adam wasn't literally flesh and blood, then perhaps the comparison/contrast the bible makes about Adam and Christ, somehow means that Christ wasn't literally resurrected physically. I can't possibly see how a literal physical Adam, and a literal physical resurrection, could possibly be important to Christianity anyways. <<extreme sarcasm intended>>Byblos wrote:Exactly. There might very well be an extra-dimensional physical world we're not privy to at this stage. I mean if we don't believe that we might as well not believe in the resurrection and ascension either. After all, Jesus was bodily resurrected so where do you think he is right at this moment?RickD wrote:Neo, are you asserting that nothing physical can be eternal? Or are you asserting the physical as we know it, can't be eternal?Neo wrote:
I do, but whatever is being resurrected can't be physical the same as we have, which is physical. The physical can't be eternal.
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Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
In one way, both are the same thing. If you call the spirit physical for the lack of a better word then I understand, I think there is something which means hell and what Jesus described, and it is not a pleasant entity, I just don't think there is fire inside for fire is a chemical reaction in this universe and the spirit as is not physical can't be burned anymore than it can bound to gravity or torque.RickD wrote:Neo, are you asserting that nothing physical can be eternal? Or are you asserting the physical as we know it, can't be eternal?Neo wrote:
I do, but whatever is being resurrected can't be physical the same as we have, which is physical. The physical can't be eternal.
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the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
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Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
The NT sates that Jesus said that fire CAN destroy the soul, it is in deed the only thing that can.
IMO I don't think he meant "plain ol fire" but only the fire of the Lake of Fire in "Hell".
But He was clear that fire ( "Hellfire") CAN and is the only think that will destroy the soul.
IMO I don't think he meant "plain ol fire" but only the fire of the Lake of Fire in "Hell".
But He was clear that fire ( "Hellfire") CAN and is the only think that will destroy the soul.
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Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
I don't know, unless the phrase is metaphor it makes no sense to me. How can something non-physical be destroyed by something physical? Evades me.PaulSacramento wrote:The NT sates that Jesus said that fire CAN destroy the soul, it is in deed the only thing that can.
IMO I don't think he meant "plain ol fire" but only the fire of the Lake of Fire in "Hell".
But He was clear that fire ( "Hellfire") CAN and is the only think that will destroy the soul.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
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the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
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Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
Jesus makes it clear that it is the "fire in Gehenna", so I would think that the soul/spirit CAN be destroyed by a fire that is of "it's reality", know what I mean?neo-x wrote:I don't know, unless the phrase is metaphor it makes no sense to me. How can something non-physical be destroyed by something physical? Evades me.PaulSacramento wrote:The NT sates that Jesus said that fire CAN destroy the soul, it is in deed the only thing that can.
IMO I don't think he meant "plain ol fire" but only the fire of the Lake of Fire in "Hell".
But He was clear that fire ( "Hellfire") CAN and is the only think that will destroy the soul.
Not just regular fire but a fire that is of the same "energy" as the soul/spirit.
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Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
There is nothing in that passage which suggests that. Its a very abnormal use of it, the fire being of the same energy thing you write of.PaulSacramento wrote:Jesus makes it clear that it is the "fire in Gehenna", so I would think that the soul/spirit CAN be destroyed by a fire that is of "it's reality", know what I mean?neo-x wrote:I don't know, unless the phrase is metaphor it makes no sense to me. How can something non-physical be destroyed by something physical? Evades me.PaulSacramento wrote:The NT sates that Jesus said that fire CAN destroy the soul, it is in deed the only thing that can.
IMO I don't think he meant "plain ol fire" but only the fire of the Lake of Fire in "Hell".
But He was clear that fire ( "Hellfire") CAN and is the only think that will destroy the soul.
Not just regular fire but a fire that is of the same "energy" as the soul/spirit.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
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the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
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Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
Yeah, I didn't convey what I was thinking very well on that, sorry.neo-x wrote:There is nothing in that passage which suggests that. Its a very abnormal use of it, the fire being of the same energy thing you write of.PaulSacramento wrote:Jesus makes it clear that it is the "fire in Gehenna", so I would think that the soul/spirit CAN be destroyed by a fire that is of "it's reality", know what I mean?neo-x wrote:I don't know, unless the phrase is metaphor it makes no sense to me. How can something non-physical be destroyed by something physical? Evades me.PaulSacramento wrote:The NT sates that Jesus said that fire CAN destroy the soul, it is in deed the only thing that can.
IMO I don't think he meant "plain ol fire" but only the fire of the Lake of Fire in "Hell".
But He was clear that fire ( "Hellfire") CAN and is the only think that will destroy the soul.
Not just regular fire but a fire that is of the same "energy" as the soul/spirit.
"hell fire" is of the same reality that the soul/spirit is.
That is why only in "hell" can the spirit be destroyed.
The passage where Jesus warns to be fearful of that which can destroy the soul and it is echoed in Revelation with the final death for all who are note saved in the Lake of Fire.
It is clear that the immaterial soul/spirit CAN be destroyed and it seems that is in the Lake of fire.