Doublethink

[Danieltwotwenty]

I just had a thought in reference to being dual minded, I reckon some people worship their view of creation just as much as they worship Jesus (God).

[neo-x]

This is not doublethink, theo you just picked teh first line...I was ROFL when I read how you used doublethink. Orwell is rolling in his grave, man. The rest of what you posted is meaningless.

This is doublethink.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.

and...

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

[theophilus]

You can believe what is written in the Bible and still believe that God guided the Evolutionary process.

According to the evolutionary process the first life forms died off to be replaced with others. This means that there was death in the world before Adam was created. This contradicts what the Bible says.

Sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned
(Romans 5:12 ESV)

When you use the Bible as a science book you have missed the whole point of it, the Bible is the why not the how.

I am using the Bible as a history book. It tells us what happened and how long it took.

Some of the posts mentioned the age of the universe. Genesis only describes the creation of the earth, not the rest of the universe. On the fourth day God placed lights in the sky. It doesn't say the the bodies that were the source of those lights were created then. This is a more complete explanation of what I believe about creation.

http://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2012/0 ... lly-say-2/

[RickD]

theophilus wrote:
According to the evolutionary process the first life forms died off to be replaced with others. This means that there was death in the world before Adam was created. This contradicts what the Bible says.

Can someone else please respond to this one? I'm afraid I've beaten this poor horse to death.

[RickD]

And theophilus,

Please tell us where the bible says HOW the earth was created, as you asserted earlier.

[PaulSacramento]

So, there was NO death whatsoever before Adam and Eve sinned?
So, this means that Adam and Eve were immortal before they sinned?
That all animals in the world, not just Eden, were immortal?

[Philip]

So, there was NO death whatsoever before Adam and Eve sinned?

So what did they all of those carnivores eat? Tofu? What about plant death? Plants are living things.

[Jac3510]

What about plant death? Plants are living things.

If I may quote an eminent scholar on this matter:

Can someone else please respond to this one? I'm afraid I've beaten this poor horse to death.

I really wish both sides would stop producing straw men.

[Danieltwotwenty]

According to the evolutionary process the first life forms died off to be replaced with others. This means that there was death in the world before Adam was created. This contradicts what the Bible says.

The Bible does not say there was no death before the fall, that is just your interpretation.

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/death.html

So no, Evolution does not contradict the Bible whatsoever.

I am using the Bible as a history book. It tells us what happened and how long it took.

No it does not, please point to the passage where it says exactly how old the Earth is. Now your not even reading it as history and adding things which are not there, I would be careful doing that.

Comparing a creation perspective to worshiping Baal is downright disgusting and I ask you again how can you profess Jesus' name while at the same time be lying about another's creation perspective and then vilifying people's faith in God, will you dodge my question again.

[RickD]

What about plant death? Plants are living things.

If I may quote an eminent scholar on this matter:

Can someone else please respond to this one? I'm afraid I've beaten this poor horse to death.

I really wish both sides would stop producing straw men.

Jac, I sure hope you weren't calling me an eminent scholar. I'm not eminent. And I'm definitely not a scholar. I've never been so insulted.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

I'm an eminem scholar.

FL

[RickD]

I'm an eminem scholar.

FL

I used to work at an M & M factory. I got fired for throwing away all the W's.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

I used to work at an M & M factory. I got fired for throwing away all the W's.

I used to work at a Smarties factory. I got fired because I wasn't qualified.

FL

[PaulSacramento]

So, there was NO death whatsoever before Adam and Eve sinned?

So what did they all of those carnivores eat? Tofu? What about plant death? Plants are living things.

Indeed, hence my question....

[Jac3510]

Indeed, hence my question....

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